What do you think about gambling like this early in a big tourney?

[shaniac]

$215 Stars Monster Sunday, going on right now.

Let's say all the players are unknown, although the original raiser might be steamed, as he keeps expressing exasperation at calls and catches. Sort of neither here nor there.

EP players makes it 80 to go...blinds are 15/30...MP and button call...I call in BB with Kc9c.

Flop is Tc Js 7c....gutshot and second-nut flush draw....I check...original raiser bets 400, MP calls, button moves in for 1600....I have ~2600 and I move allin on the checkraise (EP original raiser has around 1100 left and only the MP caller can bust me)....EP and MP fold.

The button allin has JhTh for top-two-pair, I don't improve and now have <900 to regroup with.

FWIW: http://tinyurl.com/4mj7e

Thoughts?

Shane

[PITTM]

id probably fold preflop, but if you really want to see the flop. then yeah, i would have checkraised all in there too.

rj

[Ian J]

Folding preflop here is absolutely horrifically weak tight.

Shaniac,

I tend to like gambling a bit more when you have some folding equity. This seems to be a bit much for this draw. Yes, it's a monster, but it's early and you can wait for a better spot than this, especially with no folding equity in this pot.

[shaniac]

I too prefer to make a big semi-bluff like this when I can be the first one in the pot, and I would never play the draw in this fashion in the second or third hour.

I guess my question is, does your tournament equity increase enough by winning the coinflip to make up for your lack of folding equity?

How badly does being left with ~900 damange my tournament equity?

At what point during a tournament like this (where the field is enormous) does it pay off to take small edges? I'm also taking for granted that both of other players in the pot will fold.

FWIW, I dipped down to around 600, then worked it up to ~10K at the start of the third hour, when I made a marginal call with TT and busted.

Shane

[fnurt]

You can pretty much treat it like cash this early.

[shaniac]

Meaning what exactly fnurt? Pretend that it's replenishible?

Shane

[top6]

Just curious what people think - would it change anyone's thinking if it was a tournament with rebuys?

[shaniac]

Rebuy tournament would make it a no-brainer call or allin in my opinion, if it's in the first blind-level and you are properly bankrolled for rebuys.

Shane

[stabn]

The double gutter draw is nice, but there's a lot of ways you can be counterfitted, if you even hit. There's no way you could count your king or nine as live outs either. Add in the fact that none of your draws are to the nuts. You have a bet, a call, and a reraise in front of you. I think this is a fold. It's great to build your stack early but there are better spots.

[durron597]

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and you are properly bankrolled for rebuys.

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If you aren't properly bankrolled for playing rebuys, playing rebuys is -EV.