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Old 10-10-2004, 03:03 AM
Enon Enon is offline
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Default Overplayed AQo? - Party 30/60

Turn call rather than a raise?

The BB in this hand has a VP$IP of 11% and a PF raise of 8% and is very aggressive postflop.

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Preflop: Enon is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Enon raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Enon bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, Enon calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Enon raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Enon calls, SB folds.

River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, Enon calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 16 BB, between BB and Enon.</font>
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Old 10-10-2004, 04:48 AM
Monkeyslacks Monkeyslacks is offline
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Default Re: Overplayed AQo? - Party 30/60

Looks like a definite raise on the turn.

You're getting overlay if the small blind comes along(like he did here.) Further, if he's aggro he'll play hands besides KJ this way - although it looks like a much more likely holding after he 3-bets you.
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Old 10-10-2004, 04:52 AM
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Default Re: Overplayed AQo? - Party 30/60

I think the turn is a raise.

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Old 10-10-2004, 04:56 AM
Enon Enon is offline
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Default Another question...

Is this a close call on the flop getting 11-1 on a paired and 2 flush board for my gutshot?
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Old 10-10-2004, 05:04 AM
Steve Giufre Steve Giufre is offline
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Default Re: Another question...

Not close. Ace might be good too and it wont do wonders for your image laying down for one bet more bet on the flop.
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Old 10-10-2004, 06:11 AM
DeeJ DeeJ is offline
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Default Re: Overplayed AQo? - Party 30/60

11% - I would think he would still be seeing the flop with KJ or KT, almost certainly if suited - from the BB, for one bet. He may have raised with AK, but since you were UTG+1 just seeing the flop may have been attractive.

I play it like you, cursing myself for not raising the river as I click 'call'. He can have AA/QQ/KQ/AK/other for you to win, or AQ to tie, or KK/TT/JJ/KT/KJ/[K2] for you to lose. About 50/50 I guess without working the figures.
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Old 10-10-2004, 09:21 PM
Ian J Ian J is offline
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Default Re: Overplayed AQo? - Party 30/60

I think flat calling the turn here is definitely not the way to go. Once he 3 bets, it's obvious it's time to slow down. I think you played well.
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Old 10-10-2004, 09:36 PM
GuyOnTilt GuyOnTilt is offline
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Default Re: Overplayed AQo? - Party 30/60

Hey Enon,

Considering his VPIP, would did you put him on after his flop raise? TT or a strong K (most likely AK) seem to be about it. Fold.

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Old 10-10-2004, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: Overplayed AQo? - Party 30/60

I put him on JJ.
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Old 10-10-2004, 10:59 PM
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Default *RESULTS*

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Enon,

Considering his VPIP, would did you put him on after his flop raise? TT or a strong K (most likely AK) seem to be about it. Fold.

GoT

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought he would call here with AK, KQ, KJ, K10, or any pair. Considering that I stuck around for the turn and the opponent's preflop tightness, folding to the 3 bet on the turn or just calling down after he bet into me on would have been best.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Enon is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Enon raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Enon bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, Enon calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Enon raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Enon calls, SB folds.

River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, Enon calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 16 BB, between BB and Enon.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by BB (16 BB).</font>

Results below: <font color="black">
BB has Tc Kc (full house, kings full of tens).
Enon has Qc As (straight, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins 16 BB. </font>
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