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Old 10-08-2004, 03:34 PM
TakeMeToTheRiver TakeMeToTheRiver is offline
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Default Playing small pairs late in the tournament

I am playing in a PS micro buy-in tourney last night -- about 2000 players started, now down to final three tables.

I am in CO and have a healthy but not huge stack (say 125K, in the top 10).

Blinds are 4K/8K.

Big stack is UTG+1 with more than double my stack.

I am dealt 66, Big stack raises to 24K, everyone else folds.

What's the move?
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Old 10-08-2004, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

I'd push or fold..not something I'd want to call and play post flop barring the 1/8 chance I flop a set. Most of the time if you call, you're going to be check/folding most any flop and that's just throwing away 24,000.

I'm leaning toward fold...I don't like to enter a raised pot without a higher pair or AK, and I don't like pushing without a better holding, but push by all means if you think he'll lay down..if you think you'll get a call, you don't want to gamble away all your chips on a coin flip (or a big dog)
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Old 10-08-2004, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

Fold. IF you are ahead it is not by much. You can only be confident if you hit your set which is a long shot. If you don't hit your set, your 66's dont figure to hold up. You dont want to risk 1/4 of your stack on this. I have had the same thing happen to me lately and everytime I call or reraise I get burned. To me it is just not worth it.
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Old 10-08-2004, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

Easy fold. I'd call the 24K if it was an all-in shortstack raise, but that's about it. Pushing here against a huge stack is suicide without a very good read.
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Old 10-08-2004, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

Easy fold, you are a comfortable stack, not huge but you can afford to wait for a better time. Unless I'm shortstacked im looking to enter the pot with small pocketpairs only when I can do so cheeply. Furthermore what do you believe him to be raising with? certainly not 22 33 44 55 so you are at best a coinflip and quite possibly very much the worst of it.
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Old 10-08-2004, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

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Easy fold, you are a comfortable stack, not huge but you can afford to wait for a better time. Unless I'm shortstacked im looking to enter the pot with small pocketpairs only when I can do so cheeply. Furthermore what do you believe him to be raising with? certainly not 22 33 44 55 so you are at best a coinflip and quite possibly very much the worst of it.

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Well I did fold -- but I thought about trying to push this big stack off his hand. He had been raising pre-flop quite often and had showed down some very mediocre hands (e.g. Q9s, A6o). I hung around for awhile after this hand but the cards got ice cold (how many times can I be dealt T2o?) and ended up in 14th.
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Old 10-08-2004, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

If you feel you can push himoff his hand then go ahead and push all-in, but not because you have 66, any 2 will do if he's willing to lay down.
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Old 10-08-2004, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

Has he been (a) folding to re-raises, (b) calling re-raises with hands like Q9s, or (c) has noone taken a stand against him (besides calling his raise)?
I think if the answer is (b) or (c) this is a clear fold. Only push if you have folding equity.

The fact that you are out of the blinds might actually make it more beneficial to take a stand here. It will look like a hand like 66 or Ax if you push out of the blinds, but if you reraise allin CO he will most likely think he is a big underdog if he has a marginal hand. Granted, he probably won't think about it that much and just call with his big stack and you'll be in a coinflip most of the time. But I think being in the CO makes this a better opportunity because it never looks like a resteal.
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Old 10-08-2004, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

If he is making a lot of loose raises, it may be worth pushing. There are 3 likely possibilities: he folds, he calls with 2 overcards (which gives you a slight advantage pplus some pot odds), or he calls with an overpair (in which case you are in trouble). If he is raising with junk, he will probably fold, but he probably won't lay down a reasonable raising hand. You gain about 30K if he folds, gain on average about 15K is he has overcards, and lose about 70K if he has an overpair. It seems like he is a lot more likely to have junk than an overpair, so it is probably good to push. Against someone who was playing solidly, I would fold.
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Old 10-09-2004, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: Playing small pairs late in the tournament

I wouldn't make this move with any two cards, because there is a good chance you will be called. I might push here with something like KQ or T8s as well as 66, because although you are probably an underdog if you are called with those hand, you are unlikely to be a 4-1 underdog like with 66.
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