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Old 10-08-2004, 09:44 AM
Bob T. Bob T. is offline
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Default Two hands to talk about.

Alright, I had two hands where I made marginal plays, and I wanted to talk about them, and I thought that I would try this two hands/ One thread thing, and see how it worked out.
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Old 10-08-2004, 09:49 AM
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Default Hand 1 - 55 in the BB

Online 10- 20 game.

EP limps, MP raises, Button coldcalls, SB semicoldcalls, I have red 5s in the BB, I call. EP calls. 5 players, 10 Sbs.

Flop T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

I check, EP checks, MP bets, Button folds, SB folds, I raise, EP folds, MP calls.

Turn, 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I bet, MP calls.

River K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I bet, MP calls.

Obviously, I won this hand, but if I don't catch the 5 on the turn, who likes my checkraise on the flop here?
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Old 10-08-2004, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: Hand 1 - 55 in the BB

I like it. It's a great flop for 55 and the Button and SB have basically opened the door for you. I assume that (1) you fold to a turn raise (2) you slow down real fast if EP calls 2. Also, it would be a much more interesting hand if the turn paired the 4 and a King fell on the river. Then what's your action?
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Old 10-08-2004, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: Hand 1 - 55 in the BB

Bob T:

I like the check raise (I am assuming the button folded on the flop?). I would be less inclined had the button or the sb or both called the flop bet.

--Rico
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Old 10-08-2004, 10:00 AM
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Default Hand 2 - J4 sooted.

Online 10-20 game. There were two players in this game, that would have made an online 1-2 game, a good game, and a bunch of very tight players, all with VPIP well under 20%. The first loose player busted out a couple of laps ago, and the second one, who was immediately to my right busted out in the BB on the last lap. I was about to quit anyway, but when he busted out, I got to play an additional lap, for the price of the SB, so I stayed.

Folded to me in the CO, and I have J4 of hearts. I open-raise, expecting to have a good chance of winning the blinds. My plan works perfectly [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img], as the button, and both blinds call.

Flop 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to me, and I think that this is a flop that can only be good for me, as tight players aren't going to have a piece of it, except for maybe the BB. I bet, button calls slowly, SB folds, and the BB calls.

Turn, 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Check, I bet, Button folds slowly, and the BB calls.

River, K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Check, and I.....?
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Old 10-08-2004, 10:03 AM
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Default Re: Hand 1 - 55 in the BB

I am assuming the button folded on the flop?).

Yes, I will edit it too make that clearer.
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Old 10-08-2004, 10:06 AM
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Default Re: Hand 1 - 55 in the BB

Also, it would be a much more interesting hand if the turn paired the 4 and a King fell on the river. Then what's your action?


Yes it would have been, my plan was to keep betting, until I got raised, and then think about what I had to do.
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Old 10-08-2004, 10:07 AM
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Default Re: Hand 2 - J4 sooted.

Let me state that I don't play 10-20 online [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], but I think you need to bet here. If you are raised, easy fold. Also, would the BB call you down with A5 here? or 77 if you river bet? He might think that the K hurt him, or that you have it. Just my thoughts on it
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Old 10-08-2004, 10:08 AM
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Default Re: Hand 2 - J4 sooted.

River, K , Check, and I.....?

I don't see how you have a value bet here if the BB is tight. He probably either has a draw or a better hand (is he tight passive?) and he won't call with the draw, except maybe 33 and he probably still won't. What do you expect him to call with here that you beat? Over 50% of the time (assuming you fold to a c/r)?

Edited to add: I also think you have too much showdown potential to bet here as a bluff.
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Old 10-08-2004, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: Hand 2 - J4 sooted.

Hhhm...does a reasonably tight BB call this river with A-high or fold a pocket pair more than 20% of the time? I wouldn't think so, so I probably would check behind.
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