Longtime Lurker member asks for assistance

mrfrisco · #1 10-05-2004, 10:10 PM

Hello all.

Have been lurking, reading and studying here for over a year. I've learned tons also (at least I thought).

I have ran into an extended crap streak that I am trying to work through. Basicallly I have been flat or down for the last 2.5 months. This seems like too long of a streak to be blamed on variance. I post the details below to try and see if anyone sees any glaring stats that may give me a direction to follow.

I appreciate any insite you all have.

1/2 stats

32178 hands
vpip - 16.42
PFR - 7.27
2.81 bb/100
Went to Showdown - 29.79
won at showdown - 55.98
Fold to River bet - 56.91
hours - 533
sd/100 - 20.3446

2/4 Stats

39158 hands
vpip - 17.33
PFR - 7.45
1.39 bb/100
went to shodwin - 29.5
won at showdown - 53.87
fold to river bet - 57.21
hours - 643
SD/100 - 17.7427

3/6 Stats

31226 hands
VPIP - 17.58
PFR - 7.55
1.11 BB/100
went to shodwon - 31.06
won at showdown - 52.85
fold to river bet - 46.85
hours - 485.47
sd/100 - 15.9845

All time stats (.50/1.00 thru 5/10)

104780 hands
VPIP - 16.58
PFR - 7.41
1.67 bb/100
went to showdown - 30.07
won at showdown - 54.24
fold to river bet - 53.88
hours - 1701
sd/100 - 18.9563

Since Aug 1, 2004

26598 hands
VPIP - 17.12
PFR - 8.33
.46 BB/100
went to showdown - 33.29
won at showdown - 50.49
fold to river bet - 48.79
hours - 411
SD/100 - 15.8194

MHarris · #2 10-05-2004, 10:45 PM

Post your postflop aggression stats also....make sure PF aggression numbers aren't included in the total. The rest of your numbers look fine.

bisonbison · #3 10-05-2004, 10:50 PM

Lunk, also find the "when folded" stat for each postflop street, that'll give us a better idea of your postflop tightness.

jrobb83 · #4 10-05-2004, 10:52 PM

The thing that stands out for me is that your Went to showdown% is up, while your won $ at showdown % is down.

Maybe you have been calling down when you are obviously beat more than often.

Just a guess, I have nothing other than speculation to base this on, though.

Also, which level are these recent stats from?

mrfrisco · #5 10-06-2004, 12:44 AM

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Post your postflop aggression stats also....make sure PF aggression numbers aren't included in the total. The rest of your numbers look fine.

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1-2 2.02
2-4 2.03
3-6 1.95

Overall - 2.22

since 8/1 - 1.99

Oct - 1.73 (PFR 8.95)

mrfrisco · #6 10-06-2004, 12:55 AM

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Lunk, also find the "when folded" stat for each postflop street, that'll give us a better idea of your postflop tightness.

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Oct - 12.47 75.03 7.08 3.45 1.98
1/2 - 10.34 76.47 7.57 3.65 1.97
2/4 - 10.88 75.66 8.33 3.33 1.81
3/6 - 10.97 77.78 7.06 2.89 1.30
OA - 10.77 76.49 7.71 3.31 1.72

mrfrisco · #7 10-06-2004, 12:55 AM

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The thing that stands out for me is that your Went to showdown% is up, while your won $ at showdown % is down.

Maybe you have been calling down when you are obviously beat more than often.

Just a guess, I have nothing other than speculation to base this on, though.

Also, which level are these recent stats from?

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about 50/50 2-4 and 3-6

mrfrisco · #8 10-06-2004, 01:13 AM

Thought I wold add my Oct stats so far. This includes tonights -30 BB run at 3/6.

2783 hand almost exact 50-50 between 2/4 and 3/6
VPIP 19.15
PFR 8.95
-1.7 BB/100
went to showdown - 31.32
won at showdown - 46.38
folded to river bet 50.47
hours 40.17
SD/100 15.4575

And a few losses from tonight. (typical of the bad run)

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB
Main Pot: 8.16 BB, between Hero and BB. > Pot won by BB (8.16 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB has Jd Qc (two pair, queens and jacks).
Hero has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 8.16 BB. 

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Button folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.66 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB
Main Pot: 8.66 BB, between Hero and CO. > Pot won by CO (8.66 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh As (one pair, fours).
CO has Th Td (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: CO wins 8.66 BB. 

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (25 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (14.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB
Main Pot: 18.50 BB, between SB and MP3. > Pot won by SB (18.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB has Qc Ks (two pair, kings and twos).
MP3 has As Ts (one pair, twos).
Outcome: SB wins 18.50 BB. 

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB
Main Pot: 13 BB, between Hero and MP2. > Pot won by MP2 (13 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Qh Jc (two pair, queens and jacks).
Hero has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13 BB. 

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB
Main Pot: 9.50 BB, between Hero and UTG+1. > Pot won by UTG+1 (9.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ks Jc (one pair, kings).
UTG+1 has 3c Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 9.50 BB. 

I'm not posting them for bad beat reasons. But when I look at my stats this is what I see. A whole lot of this.