Most Important Piece of Advice for a Beginner in PLO and PLO8?

[aLOWdAkING]

I'm mostly a HE and Stud/Stud8 player on Party, thinking about trying to learn PLO and PLO8 b/c it seems fun to learn and so profitable.

What's the most important thing a beginner should know in these games?

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In PLO: Always try to build the nuts, be very very aggressive. You can move players off hands much more easily then in nl holdem, and thats just cool [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

PLO8: Doesnt seem to be a game worth playing to me. You have to play tight preflop, and tight afterwards. You will often have to go all-in with nut low + a slim chance to get nut high. It seems to me the rake is too high considering the nature of the party PLO8 games. But I dont know too much about PLO8, so take this with a grain of salt.

[Scotty O]

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You can move players off hands much more easily then in nl holdem, and thats just cool.

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I disagree here. U can't move people out on PLO at the low limits easier than low limit NLHE. U have a lot more players will to draw to 2nd and 3rd best so if you dont play for the nuts, u may be in trouble.

I think table image is very import to establish here. Because players that get caught bluffing too often will get crushed by the experience players.

Good luck
-so

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I couldnt disagree more. You cant get players at lowlimit NL holdem to fold two pair even if there is 3 from a flush laying out there. In Omaha you can sometimes push them off a non-nut straight, bottom set, low flush...
And there are much more bluffing opportunities because everybody tries to get the nuts, but I think the nuts at Omaha are out there less frequently than a mediocre hand in holdem.

[Scotty O]

But the problem is, if you bluff or show that you like going strong with 2nd or 3rd, you will get eaten up. I love players that do that. Just watch out if you get played back at, if you do, u will have to dump or lose your stack.

Where do you play if you dont mind my asking?

[Big Dave D]

Learn to play tight first, but be very aware that this style can be extended, especially in PLO. And that both are games that revolve around the flop, that preflop advantages are very slim and its not hugely worthwhile ram jaming as a beginner.

And in the spirit of self publicity, a famous UK poster had this to say about my blog:

"which all budding PLO players should read."

gl

Dave

http://internetpokerpro.blogspot.com/

[Acesover8s]

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In PLO: Always try to build the nuts, be very very aggressive. You can move players off hands much more easily then in nl holdem, and thats just cool

PLO8: Doesnt seem to be a game worth playing to me. You have to play tight preflop, and tight afterwards. You will often have to go all-in with nut low + a slim chance to get nut high. It seems to me the rake is too high considering the nature of the party PLO8 games. But I dont know too much about PLO8, so take this with a grain of salt.

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When I read your posts they seem so genuine, yet they come from bizarro world.

In PLO if its so easy to move players off hands than in NL holdem what is the need to "build the nuts"?

And PLO/8 is a game definitely worth playing. No game will break the fishes faster, which is why the games on most sites are not that great anymore. It is nearly impossible for a fish to have a winning session in this game.

In the new "tight" PLO/8 games there is perhaps many more opportunities to move your opponents off a hand.

[Acesover8s]

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'm mostly a HE and Stud/Stud8 player on Party, thinking about trying to learn PLO and PLO8 b/c it seems fun to learn and so profitable.

What's the most important thing a beginner should know in these games?

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In PLO/8 the most important thing to know is when to push low hands and when to let them go.

In PLO the most important thing to know is how to play and play against AA, it will eventually be the majority of your profit.

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"n PLO if its so easy to move players off hands than in NL holdem what is the need to "build the nuts"? "

You cant bluff them every time, you have to show down hands from time to time + to win big you have to call some all-ins + make worse hands call your all-in. I'm sure you know all of this, but just to make clear how I understand the game:

a) If you call//draw//bet expecting to get called, you need a better hand than in holdem, because the 4 hand cards give people better hands more often, especially in multiway pots.

b) Because most players now that the nuts are there more often than not, it's easier to bluff than in holdem. You dont need to "build the nuts" to bluff, you can do it with 4 random cards, since you dont expect to get called. Its possible my observations are flawed because I play holdem at party, and Omaha at Stars. But for example at party if I raise preflop with AKs, flop comes Q97. Even if I push all-in, any pair, even underpair wont fold. And I play mush tighter at holdem then at omaha, so its not because of bad table image.
Now at Omaha, I raise with AAXX preflop, and then the flop comes QJ9. Do you think J9XX will even call a pot sized bet?

I think every game is worth playing, because there are always bad players who hand you their money. I just dont like PLO8 because it doesnt give me the same options as PLO. In PLO preflop the good hands dont have a big edge over the substandard ones, the flop//turn defines the hand strength. Much of profit for good players who can make accurat reads. In PLO, your hand strength is still hugely dependent off your starting hand, because getting quartered is so brutal.
So you have to play tight preflop, and tight postflop, and the rake is really tough. Possible that fish lose their money fastest at PLO/8 because its a very complex game. However I have seen a player at PLO call down with TPTK on paired board/3 flush board. He didnt lose too slow either [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Scotty O]

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Now at Omaha, I raise with AAXX preflop, and then the flop comes QJ9. Do you think J9XX will even call a pot sized bet?


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Yes (depends). If its heads up, yes someone will call when they know you have AA THey have made there hand you havent. Will you push on the turn when a blank comes? I hope not. And if you can't release your hand, I love u man.

Scotty O [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]