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Old 09-23-2004, 03:39 PM
minwoo minwoo is offline
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Default Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

Second hand in a $30 mini-tourney on Paraidse..

Blinds are 5/10
I'm dealth A 6 off in small blind..eveyrone just calls

Flop comes Ac 6h 5h

I check it with intention of check-raising
Player 2 to my right bets 40, folds to Player 6 who
makes it 100 total...when it comes to me, I re-raise it
to 200...Player 1 who made the first bet folds...now
Player 6 re-raise to 380 or something like that..I call

Turn is a 7s..I check..he goes all-in, I call..
He flips over a set, 6 6 .

My question is...can any of you guys imagine laying it down here? Or is it just one of those hands that your going to lose all your chips no matter what? I'm just curious to as if any player on here can lay something like this down and if so, how you can come to that decision.

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Old 09-23-2004, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

I don't think that I can get away from this.
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Old 09-23-2004, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

Nah, I'd lose all my chips there, but on the bright side I'd feel pretty good about it. Losing to a runner-runner straight on the river would have made me break something.
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Old 09-23-2004, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

My theme of the day is that with blinds large relative to stacks (and this is true even at the beginning of a Party SNG) you frequently don't have enough chips to both:
-- bet to find out where you are in a hand
-- protect your hand
Thus, you need to raise to try to protect against AK, etc. drawing and hitting - once you do that there are not enough chips to get away if you find you ran up against a set.
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Old 09-23-2004, 09:17 PM
poboy poboy is offline
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

This would be really difficult to get away from on the flop. On the turn depending on my stack, yes I can get away from it. Not because I put him on a set ,but because I think he completed his straight. Ask yourself this, if the turn had been another heart would you still call? Why is it different when 3 connected cards come out? To me it's not, I'm sure I will be labeled as weak-tight by the other posters but it works for me. By the way your opponent played the hand I would have figured him to be on an open-end flush draw, and the turn just completed one of his draws. Of course I would be wrong in this case, but the outcome would be the same. This would depend on stack size too, you didn't mention how many chips you started the hand with or how much you had left before you called all-in. If I only have a couple hundred more chips than I would call and pray. If I still have at least half my stack, then I throw it away. JMO
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Old 09-23-2004, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

Definent fold on the turn. But here's a trick to put the guy on the set. when he bets ask yourself,"does he fear top pair top kicker right now". If his bets don't seem to suggest fear that he maybe out kickered then he's got either two pair or a set. This along with him just calling pre-flop and with the texture of the flop should pretty much let you in on to what he has.

Another thing, when playing tournaments and a situation comes up were your not sure, the play is to fold. It may sound weak but surviving is the most important thing in the beginning of a tournament, have some patice and your set over two pair will come.

Good luck
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Old 09-23-2004, 10:49 PM
donny5k donny5k is offline
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

2 small reraises on the same street is a draw? What game do you play? This is a strong hand every time, but it's still hard to get away from since it might be 56, AK, or A5, but this is how mediocre players play their sets.
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Old 09-24-2004, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

My reasoning here is if someone is on a set, he doesn't just re-raise a small amount with draws on the board. He goes all-in right there to protect his hand, at least that is how I would play it. If he's drawing he doesn't want to commit his whole stack but would still like the Hero to drop his hand on the flop, hence the second re-raise. As for someone playing TPTK like that, possible but unlikely. Again I think the villain would want to protect his hand, and make a much larger re-raise. The only reason to bet small here is because you haven't made your hand yet, a draw. Of course this all assumes that the villain is a thinking player and understands the importance of protecting his big hands. With the information given, or rather lack of information we don't know what type of player he is. So without a read you have to give the benefit of the doubt to him.
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Old 09-24-2004, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

Yes, just because you can get into the pot cheap dosn't mean you have to play the hand.

10 handed <font color="red">A6o sucks</font>, fold it.
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Old 09-24-2004, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: Is it possible not to lose my chips in this situation?

At a full table A6 most definitely does not suck when you flop top two pair.

His raises scream strength, but that could very easily be A5, 56, AK, AQ, even AJ.

When he remin raises I would probably push on the flop if I don't feel like I can get away from the hand on the river.

I always muck A6, but let's not overstate its general suckiness.

C
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