Fold top pair?

topspin · #1 09-22-2004, 01:12 AM

Is this standard or did I go too far with this?

Paradise Poker 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP1 folds, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

uuDevil · #2 09-22-2004, 03:27 AM

The pot is just too big to fold top pair before the river. Against a typical opponent, also have to make the crying call at the end too. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Riposte · #3 09-22-2004, 03:33 AM

Looks good my man.

WillMagic · #4 09-22-2004, 03:35 AM

Another on lesson on why QJo is not a good hand. You are on the button, so I guess it's not that bad...but you are dominated so often that you should probably fold preflop.

You should probably fold the turn. It is pretty clear you are beat. However, since you decided to call the turn, you should definitely call the river as well.

Will

TexInAtl · #5 09-22-2004, 04:11 AM

Don't call 2 cold with QJo.

Tex

Isura · #6 09-22-2004, 08:04 AM

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Don't call 2 cold with QJo.

Tex

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He actually didn't. SB was the pre-flop raiser. But I don't even bother limping in with QJo unless there is one or less limper and I'm on the button.

topspin · #7 09-22-2004, 10:03 AM

SSH lets you limp with any two offsuit 10 or higher on the button. Obviously I'm not too happy about getting raised, but I don't see how I can lay this down for one more PF.

I do wonder if anyone has a better line on the flop, especially after getting 3-bet back. By that point I figure I'm drawing to somewhere between 3-5 outs, which may or may not be worth drawing to on the turn, and the river was definitely a crying call into a big pot.

Results in white below: 
SB has Ac As (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qc Js (one pair, queens).
Outcome: SB wins 15.50 BB.

DMBFan23 · #8 09-22-2004, 10:31 AM

you should probably raise it at that point