Re-steal

[ddubois]

I almost never attempt a re-steal without a top10% hand (and even then I usually regret the move unless I have a top5% hand), because they seemingly always call and usually have a better holding. Being very pessimistic and somewhat weak-tight, I have no inclination, skill or experience at recognizing situations where my opponent would likely fold to a re-steal. Do you ever come over the top all-in with a hand not of the top10% catagory? How often? What factors do you look for to make that move? Or do you generally prefer the stop-n-go for your blind defense needs?

[durron597]

It takes a very specific kind of player for me to do it. This is the sort of player who open-raises a lot, but very rarely re-raises. Also it helps if I've seen them open raise, get called, and eventually show down crap. Also if the person seems to open raise his button/SB at every opportunity, or also if the person tends to fold a lot post flop.

Also there are situational reasons. Say we are on party and the stacks are 4000/1500/2000/500 BB (you)/SB/Button/CO. Button has been open-raising a lot when it was more handed and the blinds are 100/200. If you want to make it even a more clear push assume the blinds are going to go up next hand. CO folds and button raises to 500. I will probably push in with anything remotely decent here, because the Button almost certainly doesn't want to bust before the CO blinds off.

[RobGW]

I usually look at whether I checked to him. If it was checked to him he is more likely to bet with nothing to pick up the pot. The bet size in relation to the pot. If he makes a small bet he may be just trying to test the waters. The position of the raiser, most people in EP are unlikely to be completly bluffing. His past actions, if he always bets on the flop he is more likely to be bluffing. How much he has left, if he is desperate he is more likely to call. How much I have compared to him, if he has way more than you he is more likely to call. I am sure there is more to think about but this is a start.

[Irieguy]

Perfect example, durron! I think understanding that example will add an immediate 5% ROI to an intermediate player... it's truly a golden reply. I will also resteal against the chip leader if I am in second place with a good stack on the bubble. Big stacks should appropriately raise with just about any 2 once the shortest stack has folded when 4 handed. I will re-steal with any 2 here quite frequently. I don't want to toot anybody's horn (or imply that my own horn would ever deserve to be tooted), but this simple little thread is already worth actual dollars to anyone who learns from it.

There are 2 very specific short-handed skills that I think differentiate between an expert and a non-expert SNG player:
1. Restealing from other big stacks on the bubble.
2. I can't reveal #2 just in case few people have learned it. (I've never seen an opponent use this skill, so it's possible it's still a secret.)

But if anyone guesses #2 I will acknowledge it.

Irieguy

[chill888]

Yes, restealing late is worth gold against most solid players who aren't too small stacked - especially if you have been playing pretty tight.

As to the second way, don't worry, I'm also keeping it myself. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[The once and future king]

One of my most favourite and satisfying moves in poker is inducing the resteal from an aggresive player when holding a monster.

Late on you dont just want to get the blinds with your premium hands. Inducing the resteal is one of the best ways to achieve value from premium holdings.

[chill888]

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One of my most favourite and satisfying moves in poker is inducing the resteal from an aggresive player when holding a monster.

Late on you dont just want to get the blinds with your premium hands. Inducing the resteal is one of the best ways to achieve value from premium holdings.

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That's a good point, and a laying a trap by earlier betting patterns is worth gold late game.

A prerequisite to restealing is having the discipline to fold under certain conditions when caught - and not just recalculating pot odds and out and ending up calling the rere-raise with 2nd best.

[Jason Strasser]

That move rocks, where did you learn it [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]?

-jason

[KJ o]

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There are 2 very specific short-handed skills that I think differentiate between an expert and a non-expert SNG player:
1. Restealing from other big stacks on the bubble.
2. I can't reveal #2 just in case few people have learned it. (I've never seen an opponent use this skill, so it's possible it's still a secret.)


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I have to guess: Keeping a very small stack alive when you have the chip lead and the others are waiting for the small stack to bust, thus enabling you to steal from them like crazy? The situation only comes up infrequently, obviously, but when it does, it's far from difficult to extract 2000+ chips from it.

[durron597]

I learned it from..... um.... some random 2+2 poster.... sheesh, I can't remember who it was..... UM. HMMMMM I believe the post had something to do with an 83o allin reraise. But other than that I'm a total blank...

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