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Old 09-15-2004, 01:56 PM
Guido Guido is offline
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Default Hands and position

I don't have a big enough database, only 66K but I would like to know what your results are for the following hands at certain positions.

A9o button: 0.03BB 112 times
A9o SB: -0.14BB 133 times
A9o BB: -0.17BB 111 times
QJs UTG: -0.60BB 18 times
QJs UTG+1: -0.10BB 22 times
QJs SB: -0.57BB 35 times
QJs BB: -0.09BB 48 times
K9o SB: -0.09BB 94 times
K9o BB: -0.28BB 120 times

A2o-A8o SB: between -0.15BB and +0.08BB
A2o-A8o BB: between -0.39BB and -0.20BB
22-66 are losers for me except when I'm at the button. Overall between -0.19BB (66) and -0.05BB (44).

At last I would like to get all the info about my biggest loser KTs
UTG: -0.29BB 22 times
UTG+1: -0.30BB 24 times
CO: -0.36BB 31 times
Button: +0.08 42 times
SB: -0.54 37 times
BB: -0.06 48 times

I clearly don't have enough hands but I would like to get a better idea about what is more normal.

Just for the record. KTs is normally a raise UTG right?

Thanks,

Guido
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Old 09-15-2004, 02:11 PM
wahooriver wahooriver is offline
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Default Re: Hands and position

My database is not large enough to compare. I am not surprised by your numbers (except QJs on the button). You have posted data which supports my readings. The hands you cite are not quality starting hands - but rather hands which appear to be quality starting hands.

As I look at my meager data, it appears that these borderline hands represent a major leak in my game. Perhaps that is the purpose of your post. You are identifying a leak worth plugging.

Of interest - can you examine how often you either cold call or even raise with those hands?
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Old 09-15-2004, 03:24 PM
fyodor fyodor is offline
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Default Re: Hands and position

I have l a little less data than you but much the same results:

A9o Button -0.42 62 times
A9o SB -0.12 60 times
A9o BB 0.15 65 times
QJs UTG -1.6 8 times
QJs UTG+1 -0.36 14 times
QJs SB .056 17 times
QJs BB -0.44 19 times
K9o SB -0.01 46 times
K9o BB 0.20 71 times

A2o-A8o SB -0.18 to 0.22 mostly losers
A2o-A8o BB -0.39 to 0.15 mostly losers
22-66 only 3s & 5s losing -0.16 (33&55) to 0.34 (66)

KTs UTG 0.30 11 times
KTs UTG+1 0.60 23 times
KTs CO 0.15 12 times
KTs Button -0.38 15 times
KTs SB 0.19 19 times
KTs BB -0.05 21 times
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Old 09-15-2004, 03:38 PM
sqvirrel sqvirrel is offline
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Default Re: Hands and position

Perhaps that is the purpose of your post. You are identifying a leak worth plugging.

Just to play Devil's Advocate are these really leaks? Sure they may present -ev returns but they also provide a buffer for your big hands. Every now and then I run in to a <15 VP$P player and that player never gets action from me unless I have the best of it. Many six-toppers aren't too savvy but most of them can recognize a complete rock.
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Old 09-15-2004, 03:39 PM
Guido Guido is offline
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Default Re: Hands and position

I haven't said what my BB on the button was...

I never cold call with these hands, that would be silly. I think about 80-90% of the time all those hands are a raise except from the blinds.

Guido
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