software question

I asked this question on the LL post, didn't get any meaningful responses, so I'll try here: how do you find your performance against the Wilson Turbo software compares to your performance at the table in, say, 5-10? Or whatever level you play, for that matter. Thanks in advance.

I now see that it's discussed in a thread below. But I'd still appreciate the benefits of anybody's specific experience with TTh vs. the table. Thanks.

TTH vs. table in my experience has been a positive correlation. Of course, TTH has to be configured to play like the table you wish to emulate but it is not too hard.


There are a number of profiles (opponents) in the software so setting up a specific game is not hard. Such as: 5-10 HE with 8 players comprised of 1 tight-aggressive who will not re-raise pre-flop except for AA, 2 calling stations, 2 loose-passives and 1 maniac.


I have set up and saved many different tables to practice at TTH and find that they compare favorably to the live sessions I play. This may change at high limits, though, as TTH can only be set to play so smart and then you can still beat it.


TTH seems to correctly emulate my local game, the 3-6 at Mirage and also the 6-12 at Mirage when configured correctly.


I was not a believer at first but now swear by the product. I just today ordered the Turbo Omaha hi/lo software to help me learn that game because the TTH was so good.


No, I take it all back - don't buy any of it if you happen to be one of the people against which I play. ;-)

Dear Riverdog,

Some years ago I was playing low limit stud,which was the only stud game posted, at a local Casino. (not in Vegas) The player next to me was playing an excellent game. He and I got to discussing the game theory of stud and I was very impressed , both with his game and his knowledge of the game. When he took a break I told the dealer (a friend of mine)"that guy plays a great game". The dealer laughed and said "I hope so, he is a professional stud tournament player" He is only here because the season is over, and he lives about 10 minutes from here" "He's good I said" And my dealer friend said, "he should be, he has been ranked in the top 10 stud tournament players in the world for the last two years .(ranking by monies won)

He (I'd rather not use his name without his knowledge) I seemed to make friends immediately. After the session was over, over a drink, I explained that I was a student of the game and would really appreciate it, if he would tell me which of all the learning techniques available what had improved his game the most. He told me "Wilson's turbo stud simulator" I said that since he had told me that he had been playing poker all of his life, what could he learn from a simulator" And he said that he didn't think that it was a matter of learning new materials as much as it was a matter of "keeping sharp"

He said that he played about an hour every day. That week (approx, 5 or 6 years ago), I went out and spent $1,800 dollars on a pc just so that I could play Wilson's turbo stud. And I have ben a successful player ever since. At most any limit as the years have gone by. I also have worked very hard at the game with reading and playing. But I am certain that the simulator has been an enormous help in improving my game. As you know in an 8 hour session of live action, you will look at approx 300 hands, and you can look at that number in approx 20 minutes with a simulator,since all hands that you don't play are cleared in a second and there is not a moment of wasted time.

I remember one time I made a good move in a live game and maximized my profit from a hand. One of the players said "good play, I would never have thought of that". I thought to my self "You have played that same hand that way hundreds of times on your Wilsons simulator. Years later I was playing at a higher level stud game in Vegas, and I happened to recognize that one of the players in our game had been ranked by card player magazine, as one if the top 15 tournament players in the nation that year. When we were together I asked him If he played Wilson's stud simulator and he said "Why yes, I play it about a half an hour a day."

In the evenings I keep my computer next to my lounge chair and alternate playing 50 hands of stud,holdem,hi low and Omaha, and then an occasional tournament of limit ,pot limit of no limit holdem.I don't think I could have mastered all those different games without Wilsons simulators.

I feel that any new student of the game, that is not using a simulator as part of his program to develop his game, is missing out on a very valuable learning tool. One time I figured out that I play approx a quarter of a million simulated hands a year and over the last 4 years I feel that that extra million hand that I play, helps gives me an advantage over my opponents.


Personal regards,


Octavian

If you aren't using one I would go to www.wilsonsw.com Good luck.

Wow--thanks very much for the comprehensive answer. The reason I asked is because I've been practicing with Turbo Hold 'em for about six months in preparation for my first trip to Vegas. (I've been playing elsewhere for years.)


I consistently beat Mike the Advisor 2 out of 3 sessions (maybe 3 out of 4) on all levels, and when I lose to him, it's usually not by much. What I'm specifically wondering is, does my performance suggest that I could start in Vegas at, say, 6-12 (or ?), and have a realistic expectation of not getting slaughtered?


Again, thanks to Tex and Octavian for the replies.

I'm not sure what game you should start in, but until you get settled in you may not have the best of it for a little while. I play about 3-4 hours per week on TTHE. I went to my local card room and lost a couple times. I then started to recognize the players and how they play - compared them to a profile and started to win more often. If you are good at reading player types you may do much better. I however, am a bit slow at this facet of the game. Any suggestions for me here?


G.