Cocky Yes, Stupid Yes...Then Why?

IndieMatty · #1 08-20-2004, 02:21 PM

As some may see from my other post, last night was my Uber 2+2 style experiment on Party, (not to say this is typical 2+2, I was just very aggressive all night) No reads, typical table, Ive been in for 3 hands and won them all flopped two fullhouses, so they may fear my "luck". Obviouslt there is no respect to any raises given.I honestly had no read on the button, but the the entire table just seemed moronic.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button caps, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (25 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB folds, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (14.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (17.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

Questions:

3 Bet this Pre-Flop?

If it's checked to me, why shouldn't I bet it? My thought process was no one here should have a 6 or 4 or a 2.
Right?

This is all plain stupid chip spewing madness right?

Results lata..

sublime · #2 08-20-2004, 02:28 PM

I would probably fold this preflop. AQo is a very senstaive hand.

IndieMatty · #3 08-20-2004, 02:33 PM

Agreed, I used to just call, and I know thats a mistake now.

Im expecting to take some heat for this hand.

MaxPower · #4 08-20-2004, 02:32 PM

I think folding pre-flop is the best option. I understand you were doing some kind of experiment so I'll ignore that.

I do like your play after the flop. I posted a similar hand a few months ago where numerous players criticized my play, but they were wrong and I was right [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

The pot is so huge after the flop that you are not going to fold, so you might as well be the aggressor.

When no one raises the flop, I like betting again on the turn for the same reasons.

Before the flop - chip spewing madness
After the flop - appropriate play for a huge pot

MoreWineII · #5 08-20-2004, 02:38 PM

"If it's checked to me, why shouldn't I bet it? My thought process was no one here should have a 6 or 4 or a 2.
Right?"

Probably. But they might have 88-JJ. QQ, KK, or AA have probably spoken up by now.

J.R. · #6 08-20-2004, 02:47 PM

I don't dislike your postflop play, (the preflop is another matter) and struggle to find a check anywhere but on the river but my thoughts aren't too clear right now..here goes with some sporadic and implusive thoughts

flop- bet is OK, maybe button has TT JJ and you can get the button to raise and narrow the field or if Button some other random crap if the moronic label is right you may have the best hand. I think this is a thin postflop bet, but having the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] weighs in your favor...and the pot is huge so it can't hurt too bad to fire and see what happens

turn- nobody raised the flop bet, maybe button is a moron with a worse hand or will fold another AQ or has AJ (I hope not AK), the two flop coldcallers look like a draw so I may be ahead of them and maybe the flop coldcaller's coldcalling will allow me to leverage out the button here or on the river if I keep firing, if the button raises me here I hate poker and probably have to ...call... the pot is huge.

river: dolt- I chop with the button if he has a worse A, I sucked out on AK, I hope utg has a draw, I'll be sick if I get raised on the river... the pot is huge..I bet

Maybe you indcue a bluff on the river form the button, maybe you try to check it thru, but I don't fault your postflop play and think it might be the best line.

Grisgra · #7 08-20-2004, 03:03 PM

Nobody's folding an ace -- and you chop with all aces. If they're all morons, then somebody could be easily trickling along with you with a small or medium sized pair, and avoiding flop and turn raises just because they don't want to scare anyone out - slash - are afraid someone has a bigger pocket pair.

So I don't see how the river bet gets you money. Anyone calling is (I'd say) almost certainly either tied with you or beating you. Anyone raising probably has you whupped, and you have to call due to the size of the pot.

But hey, I'm REALLY rusty right now, so take my comments with a truckload of salt. Not sure where my reasoning would break down though.

IndieMatty · #8 08-20-2004, 03:11 PM

Well, I haven't been raised yet, and I'm basically stone cold bluffing. Which is bad I know, but since my showdowns in limited exposure at the table are at 100% I'm thinking I might be able to get a better hand to fold. I also am very confident I won't be raised. Basically my thinking at the time was the only way to win this big pot is to bet.

J.R. · #9 08-20-2004, 03:13 PM

what you doing is making a perhaps ill-advised value bet with nut no pair.

chesspain · #10 08-20-2004, 03:19 PM

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what you doing is making a perhaps ill-advised value bet with nut no pair.

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Make that, "the [likely] shared, nut no pair."