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Rudbaeck · #1 08-15-2004, 07:26 PM

Should I have three-bet the turn?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (18 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Sent · #2 08-15-2004, 07:27 PM

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Should I have three-bet the turn?

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I would've

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Nemesis · #3 08-15-2004, 08:09 PM

as would I, 89 or JJ are really the only hands that beat you, 3-bet with confidence. If he caps call the river only, if he calls and then checks value bet.

SnakeRat · #4 08-15-2004, 08:16 PM

You have BB caught in the middle, this pushes it into the easiest 3-bet ever category.

Brain · #5 08-15-2004, 08:45 PM

Yep, 3-bet that turn.

topspin · #6 08-15-2004, 10:27 PM

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as would I, 89 or JJ are really the only hands that beat you, 3-bet with confidence. If he caps call the river only, if he calls and then checks value bet.

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I'm curious, since many of the responses don't seem worried about a slowplayed 89 or JJ, what would you all put MP1 on that he would suddenly wake up on the turn (which is essentially a blank) after calling a capped flop?

I'd have thought JJ/89 would play the hand exactly as it unfolded -- passive on the flop since BB/Hero are doing all the capping for him, and bet out on the turn after Hero bets and BB slows down. Meanwhile, I can't see an unimproved two-pair or OESD suddenly deciding to get aggressive on the turn after being so passive on the flop.

Rudbaeck · #7 08-15-2004, 11:11 PM

I was alot more worried about a slowplayed JJ than a slowplayed 89. Against the later atleast I have mucho outs. Against JJ I have 1 out.

Maybe there is a chicken in me, but I'm always a bit careful when someone comes alive on a blank on the turn. Especially if that someone called 4 bets on the flop.

If it had been 0.5/1 it would have been even money that it was 72o spiking two pairs and deciding he had the best hand. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

topspin · #8 08-15-2004, 11:23 PM

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Maybe there is a chicken in me, but I'm always a bit careful when someone comes alive on a blank on the turn. Especially if that someone called 4 bets on the flop.

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This was my first thought too when I read your post, which was why I'd be interested in hearing someone give an argument for continuing to fire on the turn.

I also found it curious that BB, after capping the flop and calling a bet on the turn, declined to close the betting on a 17BB pot for one more bet and folded instead.

Nemesis · #9 08-15-2004, 11:26 PM

JT or QK are posibilites, I see 2 pair or top pair here, are much more likely.

Rudbaeck · #10 08-16-2004, 09:53 AM

I'll try to take this advice to heart next time and three bet the turn.

In this case the villain actually had JJ, but I think you are right that this isn't the case so often that three betting is anything but profitable.