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Idiot end
Home tournament, 4 left, stacks are, in position:
UTG: (Poster Diplomat): T2600 Button (decent but not good player): T2400 SB (Hero): T2800 Bad player (BB): T2200 Winner take all tournament. Blinds: 25-50. Diplomat limps UTG, Button folds, I complete with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], BB checks. 3 to the flop (T150): A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I check, BB bets T100, Diplomat calls. I think and call. Bad player and closing the action make this right I think, but this is the main argument I expect with this hand. 3 to the turn (T450): (A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I check, BB bets T200, Diplomat calls, I raise to T1300. BB thinks for about a minute and calls. Diplomat, slightly frustrated, folds. 2 to the river (T3250): (A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I think, and think, and think, and push for T1350. Comments? |
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Re: Idiot end
i think last time i was in with the idiot end of the straight i capped the turn and flop... cant remember what happened in the hand but i know the guy i was playing against was no good
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Re: Idiot end
Here's my 2 cents.
I think the flop call was a little bit of a reach with only 3 cards that you really like, but it's only about 4% of your stack. FWIW, I would have folded this one on the flop, but it does set up nice for maximum value on the check-raise with the BB leading. On the turn, I would have raised to about 600-800 to suck in at least one opponent and maybe induce a re-raise. I would also consider the all-in check-raise if you wanted to end it right there and avoid all the potentially bad river cards. Since this is a winner take all tournament, I would have gone for the smaller raise to milk the pot. I think your raise did work very well, though. On the river I would bet it out unless I got some amazing read from the BB to suggest he hit the full house. If you're beat then you can't lay it down to a 750 bet without the amazing read, and he may be pot committed with a two-pair hand. Out of curiousity, the suits changed on the river, so which are the correct ones? Dave S |
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Re: Idiot end
My only issue with the hand is that while your turn raise was the correct amount independent of stack size, I would just push to increase fold equity, since are going to get all your chips in on the river anyway.
Edit: you are getting all your chips in on the river because you are pot commited, if that wasn't already clear. |
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Re: Idiot end
The flop/turn are the correct suits - I first posted this then remembered there was a spade on the board.
Why call the flop bet for T100 if I'm not going to get value out of spiking an offsuit 9? A check-raise all in and getting the BB to fold makes the flop call -EV. I raised the maximum I thought the BB, as a bad player, would call - judging by the almost full 2 minutes he thought, I was about right (phew!). But I wanted it heads up as there were a ton of river cards that hurt me. Any heart, the board pairing (which it did). I don't know if Diplomat calls a big raise like that, for half his stack, with a set, in a tournament where he's such a big favourite over the other two opponents. But I know the bad player will call with as little as a pair of Aces. |
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Re: Idiot end
You know, a inside straight, by any justification, is still an inside straight.
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Re: Idiot end
your turn raise was the correct amount independent of stack size, I would just push to increase fold equity
If he folds the turn, doesn't that make my flop call -EV? I called T100 to close the action on the flop in a T450 pot on an 11-1 shot, meaning i needed to milk at least 700 more out of the pot. I think, and think, and think, and push for T1350. The thinking was whether I could get another bit of money out of the opponent, who I reiterate was a bad player who called with way too many hands. |
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Re: Idiot end
I think we are mostly agreeing here, I would likely not have gone all-in on the turn either, but I would not normally put in half my stack on any bet as a general rule. If you are not going to release in any situation, then it is fine to choose that amount based on a likely call and fire again at the river, but otherwise I would have raised lower to still get a call and give myself some room to get out of the hand if the action got crazy behind me.
Dave S |
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Re: Idiot end
No, it isn't, because you have the times he makes a loose twopair/trips call to increase your EV.
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RESULTS
I pushed my last T1350 on the river and the BB folded, but flipped up 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I almost puked.
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