Pockets are top pair until river

[AncientPC]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls $0.50 (All-In).

Final Pot: 22.75 BB

My question is, should I have folded to the bet on the river? To the 3-bet? I'll post results later.

Edit: This was fairly early into the session so I didn't really have a good read on any of the players.

[Bill Smith]

You really should 3-bet this flop. If you get capped here or someone plays back on a later street, then you have the right to slow down.

On the river, the pot is large enough that you should call for 1 BB, but fold to the 3-bet. There isn't even a 5% chance you are good here.

[The13atman]

I agree with Bill. I'm 3-betting this flop for information. If it's capped, then I go into call down mode unless the turn was a Q. I'd also fold on the river, you're beaten by way too many hands at this point.

[Navers]

I don't like the BB coming out of dormancy, he was just calling the other bets before he started to bet the river. I agree with Bill Smith, raising the flop is a must. There's a fair chance you have the best hand here. Protect it by raising.


I'm not sure, but would another alternative be to raise the turn instead of the flop? raising the flop would inadvertently give them better odds on the turn to call to see a river, whereas raising the turn would be better because the odds of hitting are much smaller because there's only one card to see and the flop isn't as big as it could've been had you raised the flop. Thoughts?

[Nottom]

You should have done something with your hand long before you got to the river. As it is, you got there and have no clue where you stand.

Either way, once the BB check-raises your hand should be in the muck.

[bisonbison]

3-bet the flop. Raise the turn.

[AncientPC]

Results in white below (gotta love Party players' stupidity): <font color="white">
MP2 shows 4c 5d (straight, five high).
Hero shows Qc Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 22.75 BB.
(UTG+1 mucked AhKh)
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[bisonbison]

(gotta love Party players' stupidity):

Dude, you misplayed your hand. Nobody won genius prizes on this one, so try to show your opponent some respect.

[Nottom]

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Results in white below (gotta love Party players' stupidity):

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[note to self]
Don't call other people stupid while playing the hand worse than they did.
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[bisonbison]

Nottom, I like your style, even if you routinely show up in strategy threads and explain why I am wrong.