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Old 08-10-2004, 11:35 AM
Bad Beat Coming Bad Beat Coming is offline
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Default Bellagio 15/30 hand to discuss

Bellagio 15/30 last week. Table is playing way loose pre-flop, with one drunk maniac loosening the whole table, one brand new player who announced that he only likes to play high stakes NL, and one super attractive woman who is making the rest of us sort of generally play stupid. All in all, a great game, but with more than its share of horrible beats all around.

Im UTG+6 with KK. Suits dont matter.

UTG open raises. UTG+1 folds. UTG +2 3 bets. New player (UTG+4 -- the NL guy) makes it *four* bets. UTG +5 folds, and I look down at my KK, shrug my shoulders, and cap it at 5 bets. Folds around to the button, who thinks, and cold calls 5 bets. The blinds fold, so five people see the flop for 5 bets each (total of 26SB).

Flop is 246 rainbow. UTG bets out, UTG +2 calls. NL guy raises, and I think and make it 3 bets. Button thinks a long time, and folds. All others call 3 bets. Four to the turn for 40SB.

Turn is a J, all 4 suits on board. UTG checks, UTG +2 calls. NL guy bets. Fearing both AA and JJ, I just call. Other two players call.

River pairs the deuce. NL bets, I call, and the other two fold.

Comments on every street appreciated. Results to follow.
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Old 08-10-2004, 12:04 PM
SossMan SossMan is offline
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Default Re: Bellagio 15/30 hand to discuss

Seems like a case can be made for raising the turn to force the check callers to call 2 bets and face a 3 bet behind them. The pot is ginormous, and anything you can do to maximize your chances of winning the pot is advised.
I suck at limit, though, so take my advice w/ a grain of salt.
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Old 08-10-2004, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: Bellagio 15/30 hand to discuss

I probably would have raised the turn. Pot is over $600 on the turn, so EP callers are getting 22:1+ to call and see the river
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: Bellagio 15/30 hand to discuss

I'm raising the turn.

Orange
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:26 PM
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Yes, raise the turn to maximize chances of winning this monstrous pot.
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:05 PM
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Be afraid of Ax on the turn instead and RAISE.
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Old 08-10-2004, 04:19 PM
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I would have raised the turn, and if he 3 bet call. Then go in for three bets on the river if no ace comes. This is highly situational, but with the pot this big if you think you're 25% likely to be the winner at the river (and you're at least that), it's worth a few more bets.
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Old 08-10-2004, 04:29 PM
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Default What was the result?

What was the result?
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Old 08-10-2004, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: Bellagio 15/30 hand to discuss

Was this early Friday morn? This game sounds familiar.
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Old 08-11-2004, 05:20 PM
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The NL guy who 4bet pre-flop, get this, 4-6 off -- and had the audacity to complain to me when the river 2 counterfeited his 2-pair and I dragged the pot. I didnt' respond, other than to count his chips. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] One other guy who didnt show claimed to have JJ.

And yes, this happened at about, oh, 3am or so thursday night/friday morning (what is time at the Bellagio??).
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