Did anyone see Raymer's all in?

Indiana · #1 08-09-2004, 01:23 PM

Did anyone see that over the top all in yesterday? There was a raise UTG then a massive re-raise and then Raymer went all-in with AK suited. Wasn't that a risky play? You gotta know that a guy has at least a pocket pair with that kind of early UTG action. Anyway, he got called by KK and was at that point ~3.5:1 underdog....Of course he got lucky and hit an A to take it down....There were about 200 or so left at that point...But this hand is what propelled him to the money.

Any Thoughts?

davidross · #2 08-09-2004, 01:26 PM

I didn't see that one, but I heard he also won an under pair all-in when he flopped his set. I've never made a final table where I didn't win at least one hand as a significant dog. I assume it's the same for almost everyone.

Indiana · #3 08-09-2004, 01:32 PM

Yeah, but isn't that a poker 101 fold? I would lay that hand down very quickly.

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davidross · #4 08-09-2004, 01:40 PM

I'd need to know teh chip counts and amounts, but generally when you are holding AK you put your opponent on QQ rather than KK or AA, because of your cards. Calling an all-in with AK can be questionable, but when you're the guy going all-in you will get hands like JJ anf TT to fold, QQ is questionable, but you have a good chance against QQ. And even KK is only a 2.5 to 1 favorite I think.

Indiana · #5 08-09-2004, 01:42 PM

Yeah, sorry it is 2.5:1....but still, two big raises in front and you would call with AK??? Raymer had around 9000 chips...probably about average of 200 players at that time.

Thanks for the replies

sammy_g · #6 08-09-2004, 01:43 PM

I think he was only a 2:1 dog with AKs.

After the hand he said, "Oops."

Indiana · #7 08-09-2004, 01:53 PM

Yeah, i accidently said 3.5:1 but it was more like 2.5:1 per my calculations. I just thought that it was a kindergarden-simple thing to lay it down????/

i dunno...he's the one with all the money

Tosh · #8 08-09-2004, 02:16 PM

Can people stop posting hands without all of the information.

Indiana · #9 08-09-2004, 02:18 PM

Sorry Tosh, just don't remember all the info...not a regular poster...he had around 9K chips (about the average) with ~200 players left. raises in front of him were in the order of 1800 and 4800...He was in MP and the two raisers were in early position.

My apologies again,

Indiana

Tosh · #10 08-09-2004, 02:20 PM

The problem is poker is very situational, sometimes it might be a fold sometimes an all in.