betting into large pot on flop?

bunder · #1 08-04-2004, 05:34 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($25.25)
Hero ($27.45)
UTG ($62.15)
UTG+1 ($11.85)
MP1 ($27.60)
MP2 ($33.20)
MP3 ($26.40)
CO ($19)
Button ($32.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $1, MP2 calls $1, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $6, MP1 calls $5, MP2 calls $5, Button calls $5, SB calls $5.

Flop: ($30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $15, Button calls $15, SB folds.

Turn: ($75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $6.45 (All-In), MP2 raises to $12.2 (All-In), Button calls $11.15 (All-In).

River: ($104.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $104.80
Main Pot: $94.35, between Hero, MP2 and Button. > Pot won by Hero ($94.35).
Pot 2: $9.40, between MP2 and Button. > Pot won by Button ($9.40).
Pot 3: $1.05, returned to MP2.

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kd Kc (two pair, kings and threes).
MP2 shows 6d 6s (two pair, sixes and threes).
Button shows Qs 2s (two pair, queens and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $94.35. Button wins $9.40. MP2 wins $1.05. 

my main question here is the $15 bet after the flop. play has been pretty passive with very little reraising before or after the flop, but even with the 4 callers i'm 96% sure i'm way ahead on the flop. any comments about my play are much appreciated, but my main question is whether to push, pot-commit myself, or make a smaller bet on the flop. thanks.

JrJordan · #2 08-04-2004, 05:54 PM

I'd probably make the flop bet closer to $20, knowing full well the rest of my money is going into the pot on the turn regardless of what flops. Any bet makes you pot committed here, so it's basically finding the fine line where you'll get decent callers but not give them odds. I think pushing here makes it too easy for people to fold. The 2/3 pot bet will get you a few callers, but also prevent people from getting odds to draw out on you. You're pot committed either way, so go the route that gets the most money in the pot.

Garland · #3 08-04-2004, 06:12 PM

I might raise a bit more preflop. My normal raise is 3x or 3.5x the BB + 1BB for each limper, but here we have a mini-raise. The pot is at $5 when it got to you, so I might have raised it to $7 or $8. It's unfortunate that once there's one caller of $5, it seems all the original callers follow along like lemmings.

Once that's done, and baring an A on the flop except a monotone one with the nut flush draw, all in. Anything less will not garner any respect. Make as many people as you can fold and hold your breath for the best result.

Garland

Fnord · #4 08-04-2004, 06:17 PM

Nice table! I thought tables that good mostly went away when they put in the 6 max tables.

Pre-flop is fine. Go all-in on the flop. Don't screw around with so much money in the pot. If someone out-flopped you, you're just gonna have to pay 'em off.

durron597 · #5 08-04-2004, 06:40 PM

At this limit, this is an EASY pushin on the flop.