JJ preflop : The Final Discussion (for the FAQ)

[t_perkin]

Ok in an attempt to beef up the FAQ a little bit I want a nice long discussion on playing JJ preflop.

Anyone with any good old posts feel free to let me know about them too.

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JJ Preflop (in a NLHE SnG):

When do you play for pair value and when for set value?

When would you push all in?

When would you call an all in?

Would you reraise to a min raise?

Does it play differently at higher buyins than low buyins?

and of course anything else you would like to add.
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Lets have it.

Tim

[ZeeJustin]

Raise, but don't reraise with JJ. Call raises, fold if it has already been reraised before you have acted.

Without going into great detail, I think this is the best advice possible. Obviously there will be many exceptions.

[PrayingMantis]

Hey Tim,

I'd like to "contribute" two threads, that deal with different aspects of playing JJ.

1. Early on in a game:

JJ blues

2. Very intriguing discussion regarding JJ on the bubble. One of the greatest threads, IMO, and not because I was the one asking the question:

Tough JJ hand

[Jason Strasser]

Ok, I'll have a rip at this. VERY GENERALLY:

With more than 10x the BB, open raise 3xBB from any position. If reraised, consider folding strongly. If called, play a set or overpair very aggressively, and sometimes take stabs at pots with one or two overcards, heads up, but not if it will commit your stack.

With more than 10xBB, call 3xBB or less raises with position, play a set or overpair hard, and back off otherwise.

If you have less than 10xBB, reraise all-in with JJ if its folded to you from any position. Go over the top all-in with JJ against most opponents opening raises, unless they are especially tight--or something suspicious happens, then fold.

In terms of calling all-ins, I don't think any good generalizations can be made. If it is not for a huge chunk of your stack, I strongly recommend calling. If you are getting bullied around, or whatever, this is a great hand to make a stand. If there is a raise and a reraise all-in in front of you, this is an easy muck. There are other scenarios too that are just useless to dive into under the "general" cloud.

[Jason Strasser]

The Tough JJ hand is a good thread, but has a lot of crap you'll have to wade through. (I think its a push)

[t_perkin]

Hehe I have got both of those posts lined up already [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[t_perkin]

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With more than 10xBB, call 3xBB or less raises with position, play a set or overpair hard, and back off otherwise


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Does this include limps? i.e. you are playing for set value with other entrants in the pot and top pair value (or steal) value if you are first in?

Tim

[Jason Strasser]

Usually I'm raising for value after a few limps, and end up chucking it on most flops that are unfavorable. A lot of the times you do end up chucking your hand on the flop, but you are almost always correct raising here before the flop (FTOP). I make my standard 3xBB raise with more than 10xBB. With less, I push after limpers.

[fnurt]

I sure hope Lori was taking the piss in that tough JJ thread.

Either way, it strikes me as far too specific a situation to be useful for an FAQ.

[stupidsucker]

I recently posted a JJ hand involving a good lay down.

Good Lay down or too weak?

I think its a great example of playing JJ aggressivly enough, but not enough to get you in trouble.