Too early for this?

DarrenX · #1 07-20-2004, 11:15 AM

Once again, the guy w/o the hand converter access at work (sorry!)- $50NL, first few hands, no reads.

15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 4747309) - Sun Jul 18 10:22:13 EDT 2004
Table Table 11468 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: fitznicentit (1165)
Seat 2: TheGate (915)
Seat 3: paulio (985)
Seat 4: pjanthony79 (1045)
Seat 5: srlynch (1115)
Seat 6: ace1980 (925)
Seat 7: Dustin3369 (925)
Seat 8: lana64 (925)
Seat 9: DarrenX (1000)
Seat 10: CARBIZ (1000)
srlynch posts small blind (10)
ace1980 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DarrenX [ Jd, As ]
Dustin3369 calls (15)
lana64 calls (15)
DarrenX calls (15)
CARBIZ folds.
fitznicentit calls (15)
TheGate calls (15)
paulio folds.
pjanthony79 calls (15)
srlynch raises (20) to 30
ace1980 calls (15)
Dustin3369 calls (15)
lana64 calls (15)
DarrenX calls (15)
fitznicentit calls (15)
TheGate calls (15)
pjanthony79 calls (15)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, Tc, 2s ]
srlynch bets (15)
ace1980 raises (50) to 50
Dustin3369 calls (50)
lana64 folds.
DarrenX raises (300) to 300
fitznicentit folds.
TheGate folds.
pjanthony79 folds.
srlynch folds.
ace1980 folds.
Dustin3369 raises (845) to 895
Dustin3369 is all-In.
DarrenX...?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

A draw played aggressively? Possibly... Two pair? Or a set? Top pair worse kicker?

Is my flop reraise a good size, or one that just puts me in an awkward situation? Results later...

durron597 · #2 07-20-2004, 11:30 AM

Fold that garbage preflop. Tiny blinds, two limpers to you, no reads, who knows what they have? A lot of people like to play AA/KK for a limp in EP.

TJ Cloutier says "Don't go broke in an unraised pot." You saw the flop cheap, but so did everyone else; who knows who had JTs here? Or even someone who says "I see every cheap flop so I can break someone if I hit" and have J2o. Or what about the guy with 22, who hit his set? TPTK is not a good enough hand to play aggressively in an unraised or miniraised pot; if you don't want to fold it preflop from EP, at the very least come in for a healthy raise to get the garbage out.

HighStack · #3 07-20-2004, 11:32 AM

Here ya go...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t1165)
MP3 (t915)
CO (t985)
Button (t1045)
SB (t1115)
BB (t925)
UTG (t925)
UTG+1 (t925)
Hero (t1000)
MP1 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Button calls t15, SB raises to t30, BB calls t15, UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, Button calls t15.

Flop: (t240) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 players)

Final Pot: t240
Main Pot: t240 (t240), between MP2, MP3, Button, SB, BB, UTG, UTG+1 and Hero. > Split: MP2 (t30), MP3 (t30), Button (t30), SB (t30), BB (t30), UTG (t30), UTG+1 (t30), Hero (t30).

Results in white below: 
SB doesn't show.
BB doesn't show.
UTG doesn't show.
UTG+1 doesn't show.
Hero doesn't show.
MP2 doesn't show.
MP3 doesn't show.

DarrenX · #4 07-20-2004, 11:56 AM

"Fold that garbage preflop. "

-really? I'd do it in a second if I had AJo UTG, but here, we have two limpers in front of me, most likely contributing to good odds on a family pot, unless someone wakes up with a hand later, which would make an easy fold for me.

"Tiny blinds, two limpers to you, no reads, who knows what they have? A lot of people like to play AA/KK for a limp in EP."

-very true- however, when there is a minraise after almost the whole table went in, I would think a player that would limp w/KK or AA would now push hard preflop as opposed to seeing a flop 8 or 9 ways...

"if you don't want to fold it preflop from EP, at the very least come in for a healthy raise to get the garbage out."

-First in I'll pop it 3-4x BB at this level (if I choose to play it), but with the limpers I call... could be a hole in my game?

Thanks for the response- good point about the garbage that could be out there...

DarrenX · #5 07-20-2004, 02:35 PM

After using my full 30 seconds, I called to see I was ahead of KJo- a 9 and a Q made quick work of me, but that's besides the point. Just wanted to get the consensus on who would fold to that reraise. Thanks for your responses.