88 UTG+1 turn decision

bisonbison · #1 07-14-2004, 02:49 AM

This is my fifth or so hand at this table, and I don't have a solid read on the preflop raiser in this hand.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, SB folds, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, UTG calls... HERO's action?

Obviously I'm not folding.

SnakeRat · #2 07-14-2004, 02:52 AM

I put MP2 on a big pair with club, or overcards with 1 or 2 big clubs.

UTG probably has the Ace or King of clubs, or a smaller set.

I would 3-bet.

When you are ahead you make them pay through the nose to outdraw you, when you are behind they will probably cap to let you know, and you might even fill up on the river.

I think its fairly unlikely you are behind either of them.

The Dude · #3 07-14-2004, 03:02 AM

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UTG probably has the Ace or King of clubs, or a smaller set.

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I would love to know just what specifically it is that UTG has done that makes you think a set is a possible hand?

Ponks · #4 07-14-2004, 03:04 AM

I think I'd just call the turn raise and then call the river if you dont fill up. I put this guy on something like AcKc or AcQc or possibly Ac8c and I think he turned the flush. Lots of aggressive players will play their flush draw like that.

Ponks

SnakeRat · #5 07-14-2004, 03:08 AM

Stayed in the hand...

Passive players could play a set this way, obviously its the least likely of the possible hands I mentioned.

You are implying its impossible for him to have a set..

Brian · #6 07-14-2004, 03:08 AM

3-bet. Even if one of them has a Flush, you're getting 2:1 on your money as a 3:1 underdog. Not THAT bad. And I wouldn't expect to be against the Flush that often here.

-Brian

SnakeRat · #7 07-14-2004, 03:14 AM

I agree with you most good aggressive players would play 2 big clubs like that, but I think its more likely he has 1 big club, and would play it the same.

bisonbison · #8 07-14-2004, 03:36 AM

3-bet. Even if one of them has a Flush, you're getting 2:1 on your money as a 3:1 underdog. Not THAT bad. And I wouldn't expect to be against the Flush that often here.

That makes quite a bit of sense. Playing scared without a read.

The Dude · #9 07-14-2004, 04:51 AM

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Stayed in the hand...

Passive players could play a set this way,

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Well, these certainly are [sarcasm] overly compelling [/sarcasm] reasons to think set.

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You are implying its impossible for him to have a set..

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Well, "impossible" might be a little strong. Maybe not.

SnakeRat · #10 07-14-2004, 04:53 AM

I didn't say he should "think set".

"I said UTG probably has the Ace or King of clubs, or a smaller set."

[sarcasm] Thanks for your valuable contribution to this thread. [/sarcasm]