97s with TP

dave44 · #1 07-14-2004, 12:24 AM

Only read is that MP3 is a definite LAG.

I'm certainly betting the flop when it's checked to me.

I wasn't prepared to give LAG credit for the trips, but because I suspected that with 6 players to the turn, it was very possible a check raise was coming, I decided to call instead of raise. This may have been a mistake.

With no check raise on the turn and a check from the LAG, I threw out a river bet, which may have also been a mistake with my only one pair with a mediocre kicker and 4 players left.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 (LAG) calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, LAG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, LAG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, LAG bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (11 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, LAG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds, LAG folds.

Final Pot: 13 BB

cold_cash · #2 07-14-2004, 12:30 AM

Raise the turn, see if you can make it a two-handed pot.

Piiop · #3 07-14-2004, 12:32 AM

I agree with cold cash. Raise the turn.

dave44 · #4 07-14-2004, 12:36 AM

Fold to a 3-bet?

Piiop · #5 07-14-2004, 12:49 AM

If you raised and everyone else folded, then the LAG 3-bet you should call down.

If there was a check-3bet from another opponent then I'd have to re-evaluate.

dave44 · #6 07-14-2004, 09:00 PM

Button took the pot with J9 giving him a better kicker. I would still simply call that turn bet again if I find myself in the same situation, because the odds that out of those 6 people someone has an 8 must outweigh any other value out of that bet. Ironically, perhaps in this situation a turn raise would have knocked out the button, but I could still see him calling at this limit.

cold_cash · #7 07-14-2004, 10:56 PM

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the odds that out of those 6 people someone has an 8 must outweigh any other value out of that bet

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I don't agree with this.

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Ironically, perhaps in this situation a turn raise would have knocked out the button, but I could still see him calling at this limit.

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Concentrate on making the proper plays at the right time. We could debate back and forth about whether raising the turn is the optimum play here or not, (which I believe it is), but that's beside the point.

The best play is the best play, no matter what the limit.

dave44 · #8 07-15-2004, 11:36 AM

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The best play is the best play, no matter what the limit.

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This cannot possibly be true. Your opponents are a completely different breed at .50/1 than at 5/10. Different actions are called for in similar circumstances at different limits, which is likely why we have a micro-limit, small stakes, and mid-,high-stakes forum.

Rico Suave · #9 07-15-2004, 12:08 PM

Dave:

I think raising the turn is the best play here, especially with your read of the turn bettor. And, yes, you have to call a 3-bet with as many as 6 outs. Sure you will lose more when you are behind, but if you are ahead (and there is a good chance you are), you simply have to protect your vulnerable hand. It is definitely worth the cost of 1 more BB to increase the chance that you win this one.

--Rico

cold_cash · #10 07-15-2004, 12:36 PM

What I'm saying is, the best play is the best play, whether you're in a loose and wild 30/60 game, or a loose and wild 1/2 game.

Sure, reads on your opponents and what kind of players they are is very important, but the limit you're playing isn't.