ANOTHER JJ post!! nooooo!

Surfbullet · #1 07-13-2004, 10:57 PM

I haven't been faring so well with JJ recently, so I've been reviewing some of my old hands and wanted your guys honest opinions on this one. Please don't hold back.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds, Button folds.

River: (4.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB
Main Pot: 4.50 BB, between SB and UTG+2.

cold_cash · #2 07-13-2004, 11:00 PM

You've got to raise before the flop. There's no telling how this hand would have played out if you had, and not doing so makes it a thousand times harder to play.

I would have at least bet the flop here to try and take the button and maybe salvage something out of it.

bisonbison · #3 07-13-2004, 11:02 PM

Surf,

you misplayed this on every street.

SoCalPat · #4 07-13-2004, 11:04 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In case you didn't fully understand what I'm trying to say ...

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Weak, weak, weak.

Raise PF. Bet the flop, or raise if bet into.

Take a free card on the turn if given the opportunity.

Great guns blazing on the river.

Honestly, I don't understand this play at all. Your flop check, after it's practically been checked around, is especially bad.

Your turn play, in which you fold to the blankiest of blanks, is even worse. What you have, in all likelihood, is people betting/calling their T. You could've raised here and likely still won.

You said don't hold back, so one more comment ...

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JJ is a great starting hand. Quit treating it like cheese.

TBone · #5 07-13-2004, 11:08 PM

Bison hit it right, as usual.

Raise preflop. Bet the flop. See where it goes from there.

T

tiltaholic · #6 07-13-2004, 11:11 PM

Dude. You have to rizzle pre-flizzle.

Or is this something particular about how to play at 2/4?

Surfbullet · #7 07-13-2004, 11:17 PM

Thanks everyone,

You are all completely correct - and I got exactly the response i was looking for.

I limped JJ in an effort to get as many ppl in the pot as possible... and also because I have been raising it virtually 100% of the time. I have been going through HEPFAP and misapplied the "treat jacks like a small pair with lots of ppl in the pot PF - set or fold if there are overcards."

Once I limped in pf I was in that "set or fold" mode, wich is pretty uncharacteristic of me given my recent stint at SH.
I then gave up on the turn without really even thinking about it. Ick.

I appreciate the candor - I needed that, as I knew I badly misplayed this..the best way to make sure it won't happen again for me is to come here and get lambasted. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Dan

huxbux · #8 07-13-2004, 11:22 PM

Not raising preflop was the first of a long list of mistakes. Raising preflop would have probably thinned the field by at least 2 more, maybe gotten it HU which is where I want to be unless there's a string of limpers. SB might be betting his Q low kicker - a hand you would have knocked out with a PFR - or a T - which you can beat. The entire hand was played scared. Your JJ won't ever fare well unless you play it more aggressively.

bisonbison · #9 07-13-2004, 11:27 PM

JJ will win more than its fair share against any number of players. You don't want folds.

Surfbullet · #10 07-13-2004, 11:29 PM

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Your JJ won't ever fare well unless you play it more aggressively.

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I agree.

This was a case of reacting the wrong way - I had been playing Jacks aggressively but losing to that one overcard, or getting outdrawn, etc, to the point where I wasn't sure my aggressive attitude was correct at all.

It's frustrating to me that I still let short-term results get to me like that. Thanks for your input.

Dan