a hand last night

[Gabe]

There is a late position poster. UTG limps. I limp w/4c 4s. Good player on my left limps. Poster checks and the blinds are in.

Flop is: Qh 5h 4d

I bet. Good player calls. Poster calls. A blind calls.

Turn is: 8d

I bet good. Good player raises. It’s folded to me.

[Ulysses]

I would raise. Raising is fun.

[DcifrThs]

what was the game like? aggressive? passive? that matters b/c it changes the probability of good player having 76s.

55 is of course possible but why raise the turn with it? or 76s for that matter?

i'd hate to do it but i'd call down. if he had 88 and put you on a draw why not raise the flop? if he has 55 why not raise the flop with the diamond draw? this is why other players' tendencies (theres 6 players vying for this pot) and the game texture is important here. without that knowlege my bottom set is seeing a showdown [at the very least...otherwise you raise...]

-Barron

[andyfox]

My first reaction is the same as yours, but when the other guy has a bigger hand, the fun goes out of it real fast. Aren't his most likely hands are a made straight or a set of 8s or 5s?

[J.A.Sucker]

Pop him back. If he reraises, call it down. Lead the river if he just calls you. I think there's a good chance that you're beaten here, though, but we won't know until you reraise him.

[J.A.Sucker]

Yes, but this tricky bastard could be raising with some sort of pair + flush and/or straight draw. Let him know that you won't be pushed around. That said, this is a precarious spot.

[andyfox]

"if he had 88 and put you on a draw why not raise the flop?"

There were still plenty of players to act behind him. With 8-8 many would call here to see a) what developed behind him; and b) to see if Gabe continued on the turn.

"55 is of course possible but why raise the turn with it? or 76s for that matter?"

Because the board is draw-rich and because he has a big hand that might get cold-called or even 3-bet.

[Zele]

Maybe I don't get it, but a raise seems pretty obvious to me.

[DonT77]

If I flop a set with 2-suited cards on board I'm betting/raising, so 67s is the only likely hand that has you beat IMO. I raise here thinking I might be ahead and still having 10 outs to the Full House (but that's just me?).

[andyfox]

We can put him on Ah-8h because we can beat that. But I think the risk/reward ratio comes down on the side of wimping out here. A 3-bet might scare Gabe's opponent out either here or on the river when he's beat; and cost Gabe when the guy beats a set of 4s because he's almost definitely going to 4-bet.