3-bet to me preflop

Ralph Wiggum · #1 07-12-2004, 09:57 AM

Hmmmm, what say you?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps, 3 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (10.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB
Main Pot: 14.75 BB, between MP1, MP2, Hero and UTG.

Guido · #2 07-12-2004, 10:23 AM

Well the ace on the turn doesn't change a lot but the fact that they all called your bet isn't a good sign. I would probably bet out on the turn again and fold to a check-raise. When a few call again I check behind on the river. I think your line of play is fine too. At least you get a showdown pretty cheap. I'm interested in how the rest would play this hand.

Guido

citizenkn · #3 07-12-2004, 10:33 AM

Bet again on the turn. The second ace decreases the chance that someone is holding one, so you could easily still be ahead. I might consider folding if I was check-raised on the turn (because a weaker ace (such as A-J) might just be calling down on the flop, worried about his kicker, but would likely raise when a second ace comes out). If you get called on the turn, check through on the river.

Ralph Wiggum · #4 07-12-2004, 10:38 AM

I didn't want to have to fold to a c/r on the turn. I've read some other posts about people wanting to get to showdown as cheap as possible, and I decided this was one of those times for me. Right, wrong?

Noodles · #5 07-12-2004, 10:52 AM

I agree with everything you say here except [ QUOTE ]
If you get called on the turn, check through on the river

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I would still bet out on the riv,why not ?

Ralph Wiggum · #6 07-12-2004, 10:57 AM

If I decided to bet the turn, and I was called, then I'd probably bet the river.

me454555 · #7 07-12-2004, 11:09 AM

I think you gotta bet the turn. Theres a slim chance that pf 3 bettor had KK or QQ and will fold it to a turn bet but might call down after you check the turn and bet the river. A c/r is a pretty clear sign you're beat so you have a good bet of turn.

I'd also bet the river if checked to b/c you might get calls from PPs and 8s or 9s that don't want to fold

TxSteve · #8 07-12-2004, 11:15 AM

I have to agree with the others.

You bet the flop.

The turn brings the ace, your hand could very well be best. You can probably fold to a check raise (i wish i could follow this advice sometimes).

I agree that there is a chance (a small one) that you could get a KK or QQ to fold here.

If called on the turn, I would probably check through the river, this guy isn't giving up and the only hand you'd beat here could be a JJ.

DonT77 · #9 07-12-2004, 11:42 AM

I agree with the other posters, bet the flop. You are likely ahead, and you don't want to give a free card to anybody holding: 2hearts, any King, 67, a smaller pair, etc.

Of course, a lot of this depends on your reads - what kind of hands would UTG and MP1 call 2 more bets with and what kind of hand would MP2 3-bet with?