5-10 NL on UB

[BeeKay]

Can i get away from this hand, no information about any players.
I have QcQd
Pre-flop:

SFRAN10 folds. boy folds. njm800 calls. brettk
raises to $40. obt folds. guppy80 re-raises to
$140. smalltalkdan folds. njm800 folds. brettk
calls.

Flop (board: 8d 2d 7d):

guppy80 bets $300. brettk goes all-in for $866.
guppy80 goes all-in for $831. brettk is returned $35
(uncalled).

Turn (board: 8d 2d 7d Jc):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 8d 2d 7d Jc 3h):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

brettk shows Qc Qd.
brettk has Qc Qd 8d 7d Jc: a pair of queens.
guppy80 shows Ks Kd.
guppy80 has Ks Kd 8d 7d Jc: a pair of kings.


Hand #1961184-5622 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $1962.
guppy80 wins $1959 with a pair of kings.
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Seems like i maybe could have layed it down preflop, but on the flop it seems close.

[deacsoft]

You probably can't get away from this hand, but I'd bet most would feel it correct not to just call the reraise preflop. In these cases I find the correct play to usually be one that requires folding or pushing in preflop. Sometimes they just have K-K when you have Q-Q or A-A when you have K-K. I've been busted out in more than a handful of tournaments in this situation. Tough break and nice hand.

[BeeKay]

it hink the call preflop is fine, with more thinking, i think i can fold the flop becuase im only ahead of Jacks and against AK single daimond there drawing at 14 outs and im behind Aces no d and Kings no d, and im drawing virtualy dead vs Aces with a D and Kings with a D

[teddyboy]

Have to agree with deacsoft. Your opponent made an agressive bet preflop and by not reraising him you may have indicated you did not have aces. WOuld be hard to fold once that flopy came as q high flush is pretty good with the additional out of a third q. Nice hand. tough luck. that's poker.

[MrFroggyX]

Hey BeeKay!

I’m only a low limit grinder so take my words with a grain of salt.. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] (And QQ is a tricky hand to play)

Preflop:
I think you have two options. Fold or raise.
If you think you still have the best hand then you should re-raise his raise. Otherwise if you fear AA or KK you should fold. You will find better spots to take your opponents stacks [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Flop:
I don't know what to do.. Because I would never put myself in that situation.
But I like that instead off calling his bet you raised him. That’s much better!




And why are you playing NL $5-$10? Are you rich or something?
Because I read this in another post of yours:

[ QUOTE ]
How much money did you guys lose for you to consider yourself a good player. Ive read the books, ive learned from pros, but yet i still am losing. It seems lik
every hand i lose is to a bad beat. However, it keeps on happening and i dont think i can blame it on luck anymore. There has to be a huge flaw in my play for me to keep going bust online. Im just wondering how much you guys lost in the begginning of your days.

[/ QUOTE ]


If you don't care about the money then I suppose you will learn to play winning poker faster against harder competition.
But if you do care about the money.. Step down a few limits.. Always leave your ego at the door before playing poker! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Good luck! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Ray Zee]

froggy is right you need to step down some if you want to keep playing. you have no hope in the larger games playing qq so strong. you have to get broke. maybe online in small games you can break players with this hand after they have reraised a caller and a raiser but not in larger games. the only time you will be ahead if they have ace king suited and miss the flop.

[turnipmonster]

listen to ray! when you call the reraise, you are playing for the set only. you want to spike a Q and hope your opponent will back his stack with AA-KK.
--turnipmonster

[deacsoft]

So, do you recomend making the call and trying to flop a set or folding to the reraise?

[ML4L]

Hey BeeKay,

FWIW, that is an absolutely murderous line-up that you were playing against...

As for the hand, I think that the general point by Zee and others is correct (don't play QQ so strongly in the face of a reraise in tougher games). I think that, in some circumstances, a raise can be argued, but you'd have to have some read on the player.

Would you have played the hand this way if the flop weren't all diamonds?

ML4L

[Matt Flynn]

$100 raise with $931 in stack and maybe $100 in the pot pre-raise. 2:1 now and potential for additional 8.3:1 later but you're only 7.5:1 to hit the set, won't get paid off by AK or other non-AA/KK hand unless it has you beat, and can get nailed set-over-set (rare but happens 8% of the time you hit if all outs are clean).

i'd fold given how it was played. but i would not have raised to $40 with that stack size.

matt