TP Checkup - Page 2

jrz1972 · #11 11-21-2005, 02:54 PM

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In every spot where you checked, I bet.

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gonzopro · #12 11-21-2005, 02:58 PM

*grunch*

Hand 1
I think the river ck is ok here against 2 opponenets but it's probably close. A bet would have to be for value as no better hand is folding and very few worse hands are calling. HU I bet.

Hand 2:
Bet the turn every time. If he was on a draw, we just gave him a free card which is horrible.

Hand 3:
Bet/Call. A lot of hands are betting this flop that are worse than the hero's.

MrWookie47 · #13 11-21-2005, 03:02 PM

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*grunch*

Hand 1: Bet the river, they probably have small pairs and/or missed FD. You can probably fold to a checkraise, but I'd have to think about it for a sec before mucking.

Hand 2: Bet at least the turn, make him pay if hes drawing. If you get raised, then I'd slow down. I'd either fold to the turn raise or call and check/call the river unless a scary card fell (i.e. paint), upon which I'd check/fold.

Hand 3: You have to bet to see where you stand. If you get raised, then you can get away from the hand. Your hand is good here a lot of the time, people like to bet their straight draws and I think you'll see that a lot here. And if they call your lead with overcards, that is less correct than checking behind after you wuss out with top pair. 6:1 is a lot worse than oo:1 odds.

Steve

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Maybe I should make a gimmick account along the lines of the "Don't 'Bet to see where you stand' Crusader," since I've been pretty actively going after people who say these things. However, that name is too long. If anyone can come up with a more concise title, I'd like to hear it.

Anyway, that flop bet is not to see where you stand. It's a value bet. Along the way, you may happen to get some information as to where you stand. However, 100% of the reason why you're betting is for value.

#14 11-21-2005, 03:14 PM

Is "InfoBetRaiser" too obvious?

DCWildcat · #15 11-21-2005, 03:21 PM

Those are all missed bets. Hand 1 isn't quite as severe as hand 2, which isn't as severe as hand 3. Hands 2 and 3 need bets sooooorely.

#16 11-21-2005, 03:24 PM

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Hand 1: Bet that river, if raised, so be it, you pay the other guy sometimes. You will be surprised what people bluff with when an Ace comes out.

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Is checking that river really so bad? The other two I would definitely be betting, but I tend to check these Ace rivers, especially against two opponents. Plus, BB's play is looking like overs to me. What am I missing?

Would you still bet here if you were in first position instead of last position?

car ramrod · #17 11-21-2005, 03:24 PM

This is short handed play, I am betting in every situation all three hands. You have top pair, and noone is showing any aggression.

#18 11-21-2005, 04:40 PM

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*grunch*

Hand 1: Bet the river, they probably have small pairs and/or missed FD. You can probably fold to a checkraise, but I'd have to think about it for a sec before mucking.

Hand 2: Bet at least the turn, make him pay if hes drawing. If you get raised, then I'd slow down. I'd either fold to the turn raise or call and check/call the river unless a scary card fell (i.e. paint), upon which I'd check/fold.

Hand 3: You have to bet to see where you stand. If you get raised, then you can get away from the hand. Your hand is good here a lot of the time, people like to bet their straight draws and I think you'll see that a lot here. And if they call your lead with overcards, that is less correct than checking behind after you wuss out with top pair. 6:1 is a lot worse than oo:1 odds.

Steve

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Maybe I should make a gimmick account along the lines of the "Don't 'Bet to see where you stand' Crusader," since I've been pretty actively going after people who say these things. However, that name is too long. If anyone can come up with a more concise title, I'd like to hear it.

Anyway, that flop bet is not to see where you stand. It's a value bet. Along the way, you may happen to get some information as to where you stand. However, 100% of the reason why you're betting is for value.

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Isn't it still a value bet if no one raises and it turns out you have the best hand? It seems like semantics to me. If you get raised, maybe you don't have the best hand, thus making your value bet inaptly named. How is what I said incorrect? If you don't bet, sure you miss value when you have the best hand, but if someone in a later position bets, you have no idea if they're betting top pair, middle pair, or completely bluffing. When you lead that flop OOP, it says "hey what do you guys have" a little more than just checking. And of course when you have the best hand, you get paid off. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Steve

#19 11-21-2005, 05:34 PM

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In every spot where you checked, I bet.

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Though, there is nothing wrong with checking behind in hand 1.

MrWookie47 · #20 11-21-2005, 05:36 PM

It's more that I don't like your thinking. The first thing you said is that you want to find out where you stand. This is wrong, and it may lead to incorrect plays in other hands. In this case, it was correct however. I just want to reinforce that the first thing going through your head when deciding to bet this is "value," not "information."