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#11
02-07-2005, 10:26 AM
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Re: My first posted hand.
I mainly didn't like it because BB was still in. I probably should have said that. Not heads up, BB cold calling 3 bet usually means a decent holding, probably better than KJ again though I wasn't at the table. Also simply, I'm just posting my thoughts, I'm thankful you think differently and I see your point.
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#13
02-07-2005, 10:30 AM
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Re: My first posted hand.
If BB was very tight then I do see your point. I don't agree against an unknown but I understand what you're thinking.
My post wasn't just directed at you. I'm just very confused as to why so many people are saying the cap is bad in hand 2 when I look at it and it seems very good. Anyone else want to give their thoughts?
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#14
02-07-2005, 10:52 AM
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Re: My first posted hand.
Hand number 1 is badly misplayed.
1. Fold preflop. Calling the cap is not happy, but whatever, in for a penny in for a pound at that point. 2. Do not raise on the flop. Wait until the turn to raise. You have the aggressor to your right, and two players to your left you can force out. Your flop raise just handcuffs all draws to the pot, and even with top two, your hand is vulnerable to the board pairing 6s or the turn card, an ace or king falling (giving trips), etc. Protect your hand. 3. turn played fine 4. river fine since you hold the mortal nuts. I presume BB turns over JJ?
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#15
02-07-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: My first posted hand.
Hand 1: I would fold PF, but I can see a call more easily if you're CO or button. The presence of a maniac at this table makes a fold easier. I don't want to play this hand for 2sb. HOwever, I don't think that u can fold PF when it's 2 back to u. 26:2 u can play two broadway connectors. I also don't put much stock in the button limp-reraise. Seems like some speculative hand, not AA/KK. By the way, I really hope that this hand was not your best played hand of the night. Clicking raise/ bet as often as possible usually doesn't qualify for me.
2: The cap is fine. Post-flop, i don't hate the river bet as much as others. Will u get sb to fold? Probably not, but bb could have ace high on a gutshot/ flush draw and making him fold could win this pot.
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#16
02-07-2005, 02:34 PM
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Re: My first posted hand.
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In hand 2, I don't see much reason for the preflop cap. Rest of the hand seems ok until the river. If you bet becasue you think that the BB will fold an A or baby pair after the LAG calls then it looks fine. [/ QUOTE ] Why is calling here a good thing? You have 6 outs that may or may not be clean which translates to 3 outs. He is basically getting 12:1 pot odds on a 14:1 draw. On the turn he is getting 7.5:1 pot odds on a 14:1. Why is everyone calling the flop and turn?
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#17
02-07-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: My first posted hand.
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2. Do not raise on the flop. Wait until the turn to raise. You have the aggressor to your right, and two players to your left you can force out. Your flop raise just handcuffs all draws to the pot, and even with top two, your hand is vulnerable to the board pairing 6s or the turn card, an ace or king falling (giving trips), etc. Protect your hand. [/ QUOTE ] Anyone else agree with this?
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#18
02-07-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: My first posted hand.
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[ QUOTE ] In hand 2, I don't see much reason for the preflop cap. Rest of the hand seems ok until the river. If you bet becasue you think that the BB will fold an A or baby pair after the LAG calls then it looks fine. [/ QUOTE ] Why is calling here a good thing? You have 6 outs that may or may not be clean which translates to 3 outs. He is basically getting 12:1 pot odds on a 14:1 draw. On the turn he is getting 7.5:1 pot odds on a 14:1. Why is everyone calling the flop and turn? [/ QUOTE ] Schizo I agree and I posted on this earlier.
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#19
02-07-2005, 04:41 PM
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Re: My first posted hand.
No.
3 reasons: 1. The pot before the flop is 28.5 sb. Even if it goes bet-call-call-call, that's 32.5 sb. Facing 4 sb when u raise the turn gives proper odds to gutshots still to see the river. I suppose u can get small pairs that could set up to fold by facing two big bets cold, but u will be giving them improper odds on the flop by just raising it then. 2. The button did re-raise PF, there is a good chance that he will raise the flop if u call and then those in b/t with draws will call one more or two if bb re-raises creating an even bigger pot. 3. You cannot be assured that BB will lead the turn especially if button raises. I suppose u can still c/r the button, but in general, i don't think u can be assured where the turn bet will come from. This of course all depends on people understanding odds, but this pot size means most people are staying around with any reasonable draws regardless. I am much in favor of ramming and jamming here.
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#20
02-07-2005, 04:45 PM
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Re: My first posted hand.
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4. river fine since you hold the mortal nuts. I presume BB turns over JJ? [/ QUOTE ] Hahaha. Are you reading the same hand as I am in which the maniac BB did not 3-bet with the second nuts on the turn?
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