Cold Calling Preflop w/ A8 soooted

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I think the coldcall is standard with one more limper. As is, it's marginal but probably fine. If it is VERY likely that it will not be reraised and SB and BB will come along, then the coldcall is definitely standard.

Rob

[Bob T.]

Having read the other responses, I would have agreed with thirddan, I don't like the coldcall with the fairly tight preflop raiser making the raise, even though there is likely a lot of dead money in the pot.

But at the same time, when stheif says this is standard, it makes me really question my unwillingness to get involved in this situation, especially since it is apparently ok to coldcall with medium suited connectors in position, which I just learned recently.

[tripdad]

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especially since it is apparently ok to coldcall with medium suited connectors in position, which I just learned recently.

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please show me where you learned this, or at least explain the logic behind it. this is very interesting to me. i can see why in a way, with the suited connectors having very little chance of being dominated and all...well, just post a link or something if you could.

cheers!

[Sarge85]

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Never CC drawing to "miracle" anything.

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the cold-call is standard...

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please say why this is standard, as i do not want to start doing it only to find out later it is a big leak.


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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG (limper #1) calls, UTG+1 (limper #2) calls, UTG+2 (PFR) raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 (Cold Caller #1) calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB (SB) calls, BB (BB) calls, UTG (limper #1) calls, UTG+1 (limper #2) calls.

First - I'm never a fan of cold calling anything, and to say it is "standard" is a bit of a misnomer, as I firmly believe that cold calling is never "standard" but there are factors that lead to it at times.

So...reasons to call.

Position. - Being in late position Hero will be able to see the action on the flop and use that information to make good post flop choices.

Pot Odds/Bet Odds - Hero is currently only getting 7.5:2 on the cold call - however that assuming that the limpers will fold, and the blinds will both fold. Speculating that the limpers will call and may just one blind we can extrapolate Hero's Bet odds to 5:1 (and could be better if both blinds called)

Implied odds - with position and a draw to the potential nut flush - we figure to be able to collect an extra round of bets somewhere in the hand - either by pumping the draw with position, or putting in a late raise on a later round.

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[Rico Suave]

Sarge:

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So...reasons to call.

Position. - Being in late position Hero will be able to see the action on the flop and use that information to make good post flop choices.

Pot Odds/Bet Odds - Hero is currently only getting 7.5:2 on the cold call - however that assuming that the limpers will fold, and the blinds will both fold. Speculating that the limpers will call and may just one blind we can extrapolate Hero's Bet odds to 5:1 (and could be better if both blinds called)

Implied odds - with position and a draw to the potential nut flush - we figure to be able to collect an extra round of bets somewhere in the hand - either by pumping the draw with position, or putting in a late raise on a later round.



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Yes.

Reasons to fold:

Domination
Part of the strength of Axs is the ace. When against a preflop raise (from a tightish raiser, there is a good chance we are up against a dominating ace; and with the pot so large, it will be hard, if not wrong, to get away from our hand if we are dominated.

heavy up front price

Paying 2sb's up front (even at 12:2) for the opportunity to take a look at a flop you are most likely going to fold means you are going to have make a bundle when you do flop big to make up for the all the times you whiff.

--Rico

[Entity]

I think (though I can't remember for sure) that Ed advocates calling with this hand when you have 4+ limpers, right? So with 2 limpers, 1 coldcaller, and blinds that are likely to come along, isn't it fine?

I'd say it's standard with 2 limpers and 2 coldcallers and loose blinds, so it can't be that bad here.

Rob

[Rico Suave]

Rob:

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I think (though I can't remember for sure) that Ed advocates calling with this hand when you have 4+ limpers, right? So with 2 limpers, 1 coldcaller, and blinds that are likely to come along, isn't it fine?


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I am not exactly sure what you are comparing, but limping (or in fact raising) in position behind 3 or 4 limpers is different than coldcalling a raise in a spot like this.

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I'd say it's standard with 2 limpers and 2 coldcallers and loose blinds, so it can't be that bad here.


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I agree, I do not think cold calling is necessarily bad, I just do not see it as standard; and I was pointing out the negatives. Of course, I suck compared to most SSers, so perhaps this is standard.....

--Rico

[Sarge85]

Domination .

heavy up front price


--Rico

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I agree 100%.

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[Entity]

Rico,

No, you misunderstood me. I mean that I think Ed advocates coldcalling with hands like this when you have 4 coldcallers ahead of you. With 2 limpers, 1 coldcaller, and two loose blinds, that's pretty damned close to the necessary requirements, no?

It's in the loose games preflop chart, "if 4 people have entered the pot ahead of you." I'd say this is pretty close to that example.

Like I said; it's not standard, but I think it's ok.

Rob

[Sarge85]

I realized I'm sort of riding the fence aren't I.

But I agree with 100% of what you said....I also agree with the points I make also.

The person who was asking the question needs to be able to:

1)Recognize the situation he is facing -

2)Have in mind what he will do Post Flop - this is key

3)Reconcile 1 & 2 and determine if a cold call is appropirate.

That's pretty much why I don't think the cold call is "standard" - Based on the situation - it may be "favorable" however.

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