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Old 06-25-2004, 07:49 PM
SnakeRat SnakeRat is offline
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Default Re: QQ - flopped a Q

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Raising the turn is definately better in this case.


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I think its better to raise both the flop and the turn...
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Old 06-25-2004, 07:56 PM
dave44 dave44 is offline
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Default Re: QQ - flopped a Q

I see the flop cap as a way to put more BB's into a pot you are the odds on favorite to win, not to force draws to fold.
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:06 PM
TheRake TheRake is offline
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Default Re: QQ - flopped a Q

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I see the flop cap as a way to put more BB's into a pot you are the odds on favorite to win, not to force draws to fold.

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The pot is already big enough. You should be trying to figure out the best way to win it. Capping the flop is not it.

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Old 06-25-2004, 08:24 PM
Ed Miller Ed Miller is offline
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Default Re: QQ - flopped a Q

This looks to me like the type of hand that NPAEM prefers not to cap on the flop. There are so many draws on this board and no one (with a decent draw or hand) is laying this down to your cap on the flop. The pot has gotten quite large and you should be thinking about how to win it. You should be looking to try and make people face 2BB cold in order to increase your chances of winning.

Well, I would have capped the flop. There are four players left when you have the capping option, and the player driving the betting is directly across from you (i.e., there is a player between you and him on either side).

You have a SET. Sets play very differently than single pairs because they win MUCH more often. Your pot equity edge is much larger on the flop than it would be with one pair (having the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] makes your hand even stronger), and you are not as vulnerable to draw-outs because you can fill up.

So, if all goes according to plan, you can face only ONE player with two cold on the turn. If things don't go according to plan (e.g., if a scare card comes) then you may not even be bet into on the turn. I think you are better off taking the immediate profit, capping the flop, and hoping for the best.
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:25 PM
Ed Miller Ed Miller is offline
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Default Re: QQ - flopped a Q

You played the hand pefectly. Not raising the turn would have been an error.
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Old 06-26-2004, 02:01 AM
Matty Matty is offline
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Default Re: QQ - flopped a Q

For reference, he showed down AA.

Thanks for all the responses.
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Old 06-26-2004, 06:24 AM
SnakeBob SnakeBob is offline
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Default Re: QQ - flopped a Q

Might as well raise on turn...he knows you have SOMETHING when you cap both flop and preflop...I would say raise...if he beats you with pocket aces good for him...to many maniacs out there to give him credit for that. So raise and hope he re-raises you.
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