How do I overcome the bad and lucky players?

[dogmeat]

If you blame the bad players for your losses, you are like an awful lot of losing players. If you can't beat bad players at .50/$1 I guarantee you that you can't beat them at $5/10 or $15/$30. You are a good/winning player who can move up in limits when you win a couple BB/hour at your current limit over at least 10K hands, and 25K hands would be better.

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[PizzaAggie]

Awesome advice from all. I guess I need to just "get over it" and be happy when they call with bottom pair or an A high. It looks as if all I need is more experience, a fresh outlook [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and a larger bankroll to keep the losses from hurting. Oh...and I cannot forget my daily trip to twoplustwo.com.

Thanks to all that responded! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[PokerFoo]

There is no simple conclusive answer to this. However if I were to try and give one Id say the answer is Recall.

You have to pay attention to how that player you were up against has played previously. Many times he will indicate to you by a raising instead of his normal calling pattern. Or the call itself may be the indication if he is ultra tight.

If your worried your top pair with a good kicker is beat by on odd 2 pair and you just cant fold your hand, it MAY be correct in a limit game to let him have the lead and call him down as cheap as possable.

If the game is no limit and youve made a large raise and he calls you, AND you think he is NOT the type of player to call that big raise without having top pair beat you just have to let it go and wait for a better spot.

Foo

[dr_venkman]

Something I have been working on in the lower limit NL ring games is adjusting game play. Being tight aggressive all the time is (IMO) the best and only way to go in the beginning of learning poker. But tight agressive all the time is not very imaginative. I like to try and analyze the table play constantly and tighten up if the table is loose. Conversely, loosen up a little if the table is extra tight with lots of good players. Not withstanding that learning can be an expensive proposition, so have a fair amount of money to educate yourself and not get angry -- just learn.

If this is not something you want to do, then the next best thing is table selection. Try and find tables where players have basically the same size stack as you and stay tight/aggressive.

I have tried moving up in limits to find better games, but the catch with that is your need to increase your bankroll proportionatly to the size of the stakes. So if you have the cash to spare, go for it. But I recommend just staying on those LL tables until you can confidently move up in ranks.

Good Luck, see you at the tables.
~Venk

[cnfuzzd]

i dont understand why you would want to play players who are more knowledgable about the game, and more skillfull in playing it? I dont understand why one would feel that if one cant beat bad players, one can beeat good players?

peace

john nickle

i didnt even notice that i am an enthousiast now. w00t maybe one day i will learn to play.

[SA125]

Do you have pokertracker? That'll give you a detailed look at what hands and what positions are winning/losing for you.

I just mentioned in another post, Bobby Baldwin said seeing good players complain about getting sucked out is funny.
He said it will always happen to good players more than bad ones because good players usually have the odds in the favor and bad ones are behind much more often.

[daryn]

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that would have been a truly horrific fold.

[glen]

"that would have been a truly horrific fold. "

lol, i was like, "Wait, did he just say that?. . . " So I read it again, and, he did.

[dr_venkman]

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I dont understand why one would feel that if one cant beat bad players, one can beeat good players?

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Good name.

No, I meant you learn to beat the LL tables and them move up in ranks. Hence, why I said it.

If that response wasn't meant for me then sorry. But you did re: on my message so I assume you were addressing me.

[Billman]

One of the common mistakes people who can't beat low limit games make is thinking that moving up in limits will all of a sudden make people respect thier raises and bets. It doesn't. I see this all the time. I have so many friends who are new to poker and want to go to one of the local casinos with me. It's the same pattern:

1. They win or lose a little bit the first time out.

2. They read some poker books.

3. They win or lose a little bit the second time out.

4. They read some more poker books.

5. They start complaining that nobody can beat low limit games because people won't lay down their crappy hands and suck out on them so the obvious answer must be to move up in limits.

There's no real "secret" to poker. There's no special move or piece of knowledge that's going to make one a better player. It's like any other skill you want to perfect, you educate yourself, practice (i.e. play), evaluate the results, and adjust accordingly.