Some hands in a losing skid

Sleepy Weasel · #1 06-23-2004, 01:22 AM

I've hit a bit of a losing skid recently. Nothing nearly unexpected by simple variance, but I've also moved up in levels recently, so it prompted me to go back through several hands in PT. I found a bunch of simple bad luck hands, but also a few that I'm not sure I like my play on. These are hands from several sessions ago, so I don't recall any table or player reads unfortunately.

(Side question: do people hate postings with multiple hands? Should I avoid this in the future?)

Hand 1:
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls.
Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.
Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.
River: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Hand 2:
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.
Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero folds.
River: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, BB calls.

Hand 3:
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) calls, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls.
Flop: (11.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.
Turn: (8.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.
River: (11.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Hand 4:
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.
Flop: (12 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls.
Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.
River: (14.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Hand 5:
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 5 folds,
Flop: (7.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.
Turn: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.
River: (10.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Hand 6:
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (9 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.
Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.
River: (10.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Avatar · #2 06-23-2004, 01:41 AM

Hand 3 -> I'm raising the flop. You probably get to see a free river card out of this. This saves you 1 SB if you miss your flush.
Hand 4 -> I probably would have called down stubbornly like you but I believe folding to the raise when its offering you only 10.5:1 on a 24:1 chance of improving on the river is the more appropriate play. You would have saved yourself 3 BB.
Hand 5 -> I'm betting the flop.

joker122 · #3 06-23-2004, 01:52 AM

I'll give it a shot.

Hand 1: I like the pf raise. Fold the flop. Even if you hit a Q or T you're hand may not be good.

Hand 2: I play same.

3: Standard...nice to get a free showdown.

4: I think I'd make this tough fold on the turn. Since you called, you have an easy river call, however.

5: I'd bet the flop. If he raised my flop bet I think I'd just call the turn and bet the river. Since you checked...I'd play the turn the same...it looks like you ran into a set...oh well, I'm calling down.

6: Standard. The only realistic hand that beats you is JQ. Sometimes they'll have it, but more often it will be a worse 2 pair. When he 3bets I think you're beat, but you played the hand correctly.

No gaping holes here...probably just running bad. The swings at 2/4 can suck.

TRWIII · #4 06-23-2004, 01:52 AM

#1: Fine, although personally I only raise QTs from LP if Im first in, but the rest of it was fine.

#2: Good fold on the turn IMO, b/c any A or Q beats you and your drawing to a straight that might be a split pot or two pair that could complete a straight. Stay outta harms way.

#3: I fold this preflop. Suited one gappers this low I rarely play unless darn near everyones in for 1 bet (raises are bad even if you only have to call half of it b/c of the post). Post flop was ok. Your not strong enough to press it and youre getting pot odds to draw to the flush although its possible youre beat by a higher flush.

#4: Ick. Id do the same and say good hand to the quad, although theres still a reasonably good chance that youre good... just not good enough to push it.

#5: I bet the flop to put the pressure of hitting on the callers. I bet the turn as well and call to the showdown (flush is unlikely but a slowplayed 2 pair or set is very likely, but an over pair or top pair and worse kicker are likely enough to see what he went off with unless you have a read of him as tight aggressive.

#6: Fine. You might lose to a straight or set, but AQ or a lower 2 pair is more likey Im thinking.

Just my 2 cents,
TRWIII

Sleepy Weasel · #5 06-23-2004, 02:40 AM

Thanks for the responses...here's what I was thinking after reviewing these:

Hand 1- I don't think I'd ever made this raise before, but I think I like it, and I'd probably do it again. I think the flop call is close, and the spade on the flop turned it for me. I put the BB on an overpair (which is obviously terrible for me), or AK, which makes my outs good. I decided to take one off. With the turn check, I think he has AK. Does anybody take a stab at the pot on the turn? (ok, maybe he has AA and is hoping to check-raise, I'd quickly fold to the c/r)

Hand 2- Glad I got some agreement on this one. Sounds like an ace betting out to me. I folded thanking him for not checkraising me. The results of this one are fun: SB had AKo, BB flips over 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and earns a place in my hall of fame.

Hand 3- I think I need to raise this flop. I've got like 14 outs (I count the 6s, I think they're good), and I probably get a free turn. I like the preflop call because I have position and stand to scoop a huge one if I hit, but then I didn't take advantage of my position on the flop. Augh.

Hand 4- I'm not entirely sure why I called the turn raise, I probably have to lay this down there. But on the river I don't believe it anymore, and I have to see the showdown. Anyone not bet the turn? I'm thinking everyone without a jack folds here (another reason to fold to the raise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). Fun results here too: MP1 has A8o, and MP2 has J8o for the most passively played 2-pair turned boat turned quads I've ever seen.

Hand 5- Unanamous opinion seems to be to bet the flop. I've not been having much luck lately getting people to fold in these situations, so I tend to like checking here with no position, and betting when I'm late and can get maybe a free turn out of it. Is this wrong thinking? (nice read by Joker, he had 22)

Hand 6- I hate my river raise, here's why: If he has the straight, I get 3-bet, and it costs me 3 bets. If he doesn't, I fold the two potential overcallers and gain 1 bet. If I'm good, I think I have a good chance of getting at least one, quite possibly both overcallers. So if I win, I win the same both ways (possibly more just calling), but if I'm beat, I lose two more bets. Is this bad thinking?

lostinthought · #6 06-23-2004, 10:40 AM

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(Side question: do people hate postings with multiple hands? Should I avoid this in the future?)

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yeah, it's kind of like reading a post where the person doesn't use paragraphs and all caps... I look at at and move to something else without reading it..

but you got some responses..

Sleepy Weasel · #7 06-23-2004, 11:32 AM

Heh, alright. I usually have the same reaction as you, but people do seem to respond to them. Thanks.