Cheating at the WSOP?

[maurile]

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I haven't heard any more details on this incident either, but what would be the cheating angle here? How would you get an advantage if you knew there was an extra Kd in the deck?

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The thing that immediately sprung to my mind when I heard about the two Kds was the possibility that somebody was holding out / switching cards.

[Daliman]

During the US poker championships(?) last year, technicians were having a HELL of a time getting Erik Seidel to Show his hole cards, and he wasn't being cooperative. THey even went to putting 2 cameras on his spot, which, he was trying to subvert by putting chips in front of them "accidentally" etc. I think, in the end, producers told him start showing or forfeit.
This was in the tourney where he was HU with Toto Leonidas.

[J.A.Sucker]

It's an interesting and noteworthy point to know when this deck was brought into play. If it were in one of the first few hands of the deck (say three or so), then it may have been a mixup. However, if it were after this time, I would bet that somebody was holding out cards.

This is markedly different than Dynasty's 4-8 experience, where it's likely that they just screwed up, since it sounds like the deck was just brought in. Just an observation from somebody who wasn't there.

[Joe Tall]

Dynasty,

Was the manufacturer of the cards the same?

Peace,
Joe Tall

[shaniac]

You might have been kidding, but.....

There was an excellent LATimes profile on Men and his posse and included in that story was the bit about Foxwoods:

Supposedly, they set a fire in their room using a cooking device, but the real reason Men was barred was because tournament chips were found in his room. Now, of course Foxwoods never stated that this was the reason, and Men has since been allowed back into Foxwoods, so who knows.

Just clarifying what the allegations were.

Shane

[Ragnar]

ROFLMAO

Ragnar

[soxfan70]

I played with a guy that was sitting next to Men at the tournament in question. What he told me was that Men had gone up to his room on a dinner break, and was cooking in the room and set off the smoke detectors. He never came back to the tourney, and the story was that he was thrown out and banned forever. the camera story sounds like it "could" be true, but why would a world class player risk that?

[AviD]

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I sat in a Monte Carlo 4-8 game while waiting to go to the movies across the street (Shrek 2)

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OK I'm changing my opinion on the funniest post ever! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

So...ummm...how was the movie? Better than the 4/8 game? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Prickly Pete]

Seems like the two Kd's is an ideal cheating freeroll if you hold one and the other comes on the flop. Perhaps you get someone to bet big and you raise. If they fold, you muck and take a nice pot. If they call, it's a misdeal.

I wonder if this ever happened on that table?

[redwings03]

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but why would a world class player risk that?

[/ QUOTE ] Well Sox fan, why would so many star athletes risk using steroids, perhaps even one of the very best Barry Bonds succumbed to the pressure to be at the top. The reason they risk it is greed, money, feeling the competition nipping at their heels, and the desire to be on top even if it means cheating to gain a competitive edge overrides their sense of fair play.

For what it's worth, there have been allegations swirling around Men and his posse for quite some time and I read that the Foxwoods incident stemmed from Tourny chips being found in his room. It always makes it interesting when a tourny ends with less or more chips than it started with and since most casinos use one set of tourny chips it could give incentive for a crew to slide some out of a $100 event and insert them to a $1000 event. I would like to think it doesn't happen, but if athletes who are truly making the big bucks are willing to cheat be certain that people with less to lose will try to gain unfair advantages.