Using relative position to clean up outs - Page 2

imported_The Vibesman · #11 10-05-2005, 08:56 AM

I see what you are saying about the hands you would like to fold, and the pot being big enough to try to take down now. But with a field this large, you're going to get value out of the flush draw. I would lead/3bet the flop and try to trap the field. I'm grunching, so I'm now going to see if I'm wrong on this...

#12 10-05-2005, 09:07 AM

With your flush draw you should have bet the flop for value rather than c/r it for protection.

ArturiusX · #13 10-05-2005, 09:11 AM

The pot is not small, there is no need for this play.

Bet, trap bets, get a raise from the pf raiser, and 3-bet, harvest more bets.

Your overcard outs are MUCH cleaner then you think here. Most hands that dominate you are seeing a turn anyway.

@bsolute_luck · #14 10-05-2005, 09:43 AM

clean up outs when you have a made hand, not a drawing one. meaning if you have A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

hmm...i wonder if we should c/r if we had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...?

Matt Jenko · #15 10-05-2005, 09:51 AM

call the flop fella and let all the others come along for the ride. You really don't want to be putting multiple bets in and have it HU when you are almost certainly behind.

#16 10-05-2005, 10:01 AM

Some of the advice on this thread is really horrible.

numeri · #17 10-05-2005, 10:09 AM

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The pot is not small, there is no need for this play.

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I don't get this. Personally, I bet and hope to 3-bet regardless of the pot size here, but wouldn't we be more likely to try and chase others out of a good-sized pot like this? If the pot was small, the C/R is horrible, IMO.

#18 10-05-2005, 10:21 AM

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Some of the advice on this thread is really horrible.

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Entity · #19 10-05-2005, 11:31 AM

Bet the flop.

#20 10-05-2005, 02:24 PM

You're only worried about Q3, Q6, Q4, T3, T6, T4 staying in, which are all rare hands for opponents to have - so you're not cleaning up any outs. You don't want to make this a heads-up or 3-way battle when you need to improve to win. Lead out with that bet!

When MP2 raises, you have a tough decision between raising and calling. This board is fairly draw heavy, so they might stick around still. I would raise if everyone called my flop bet and call if there were only a couple other players left. Either way, you want more than one person to stick around here.