Hilger Hand Example (9h3h) - Page 2

Matt Jenko · #11 10-04-2005, 06:20 AM

you speak the international language of confusion very well.

Aces McGee · #12 10-04-2005, 09:16 AM

I'm betting out in either game, unless I had a good read that suggested it would be checked to a late position player who would bet, so I could c/r. That would be a difficult read to get, though, so I'm usually just betting.

Also, in a $3/$6 game, I wouldn't complete the SB with this.

-McGee

chief444 · #13 10-04-2005, 09:26 AM

9-high not overly coordinated board...only 3 opponents and small pot...I think it's a definite bet. The limit doesn't really matter.

alul · #14 10-04-2005, 01:32 PM

Bet out. You will win the pot for one bet often enough (depending on your table image of course).

newhizzle · #15 10-04-2005, 04:06 PM

i bet, with no PFR you dont know where a bet is going to come from or if one will come at all, if you check and BB bets you dont want to check/raise, the pot is fairly small, just bet out and go from there

chief444 · #16 10-04-2005, 04:42 PM

He will win sometimes with no turn, I agree. But he'll have the best hand here often enough that it doesn't really matter if that's a small percentage of the time. If people want to call with 6 or fewer out draws it's a good thing not a bad thing.

Scuba Chuck · #17 10-04-2005, 04:42 PM

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9-high not overly coordinated board...only 3 opponents and small pot...I think it's a definite bet. The limit doesn't really matter.

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OK, I get the point. The correct thought process is to bet here. Back to my primary question. How many players in a hand do I need to worry about reverse implied odds? Perhaps, this is a bad question, as the board is so uncoordinated. If that's so, feel free to say so.

Also, regarding folding preflop. How bad does a hand have to be to fold getting 7:1 odds?

chief444 · #18 10-04-2005, 04:48 PM

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Back to my primary question. How many players in a hand do I need to worry about reverse implied odds? Perhaps, this is a bad question, as the board is so uncoordinated. If that's so, feel free to say so.

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Not a bad question at all. I'd say with 6 players to the flop (and obviously a ~6SB pot) there is a much stronger argument for checking and seeing what happens. With 4 oppoenent's I'm still leading out.

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Also, regarding folding preflop. How bad does a hand have to be to fold getting 7:1 odds?

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Assuming the BB isn't really aggressive preflop, I complete with anything suited with two limpers and a 1/2 blind structure. I also complete with offsuit connectors 45o and higher and one gappers. Not saying that's right or wrong. Just what I basically do.

Scuba Chuck · #19 10-04-2005, 04:58 PM

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Back to my primary question. How many players in a hand do I need to worry about reverse implied odds? Perhaps, this is a bad question, as the board is so uncoordinated. If that's so, feel free to say so.

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Not a bad question at all. I'd say with 6 players to the flop (and obviously a ~6SB pot) there is a much stronger argument for checking and seeing what happens. With 4 oppoenent's I'm still leading out.

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Also, regarding folding preflop. How bad does a hand have to be to fold getting 7:1 odds?

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Assuming the BB isn't really aggressive preflop, I complete with anything suited with two limpers and a 1/2 blind structure. I also complete with offsuit connectors 45o and higher and one gappers. Not saying that's right or wrong. Just what I basically do.

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It's interesting that we have both those questions in one post. As they are somewhat inter-related. (And I'm probably gonna shoot myself in the foot here - but hey, I'm thinking.). OK, if we are going to complete in the SB with 93s, then it seems we should be leading out here with a 9 high flop all the time, reverse implied odds or not (unless the board is far more coordinated of course).

Second, what's a 1/2 blind structure? And, what are the alternatives to a 1/2 blind structure?

chief444 · #20 10-04-2005, 05:06 PM

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OK, if we are going to complete in the SB with 93s, then it seems we should be leading out here with a 9 high flop all the time

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I'm not sure why you feel that way. There are many different situations and pot sizes where I would not lead.

1/2 (one half) blind structure simply means that the SB is one half of the BB. In 3/6 the blinds are $1 and $3 normally so it's a 1/3 structure. In 15/30 the blinds are normally $10 and $15 so it's a 2/3 structure. 5/10 is a 2/5 structure.