Weak Laydown of 99s?

matt hooley · #1 10-02-2005, 04:39 PM

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

UTG is LAA! I clearly gave this pot away by not having that read at the time, I later saw the guy making flop raises with nothing and was able to take some of his money.

I believe however that even given no read on UTG I need to call the raise and continue to the turn at least. UTG can easily be raising hands I beat like A5 or a flush draw.
But what about if UTG was known to be LPP, then I think betting the flop and folding to a raise isn't so bad.

What do you all think about this hand?

jaxUp · #2 10-02-2005, 04:43 PM

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I believe however that even given no read on UTG I need to call the raise and continue to the turn at least. UTG can easily be raising hands I beat like A5 or a flush draw.
But what about if UTG was known to be LPP, then I think betting the flop and folding to a raise isn't so bad.

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sounds like you've nailed it.

_Kevin_ · #3 10-02-2005, 04:44 PM

I would need a read to continue. You only have 1 clean out (the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is not a good card for you) if you are behind. Unless I knew he would raise a FD or as a bluff, I'd wait for a better spot.

POKhER · #4 10-02-2005, 04:47 PM

Even if he is LPP don't expect a raise from LPP holding a queen.

Maybe if he held AQo or AQ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Depends on the AF, i assume you have POKERTRACKER?

But yeh seems ok without a read.

#5 10-02-2005, 06:29 PM

In my experience, having someone check raise the flop is highly unusual at the partypoker .50/1.00 tables. I would be startled by this and be puzzling over what to make of it.

The question is, is this a tricky player trying to sneak one more small flop bet out of you, or a tricky player trying to get both of you to fold?

If he had flopped some sort of great hand, one would think he would save that trickiness for the turn, not the flop, so I see him with at best Q with a weak kicker, and likely much less. I believe I'd call here, and wish I had a read on him.