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(33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter
UTG (t800) UTG+1 (t1810) MP1 (t750) MP2 (t1115) Hero (t770) Button (t775) SB (t1105) BB (t875) Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60. Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t15</font>, MP2 calls t15, hero? |
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
I would. I'd consider this a weak probe bet. Or maybe a blocking-type bet. Raise to 100 or 125.
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise.
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
Well I would probably not raise preflop here with two limpers in. If UTG+1 calls then MP2 is calling, and you've got a big pot with a pretty marginal hand (for this early on). You probably will have position though so raising can't be that bad or anything.
On the flop I think I'd probably just call and try to catch on the turn. I tend to play more passively early though, but a raise here is a good portion of your stack, say you pop it to 200 you've only got 500 behind with no pair no draw. I think there's something to be said for staying out of trouble early. |
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
I call here and hope to improve on the turn. i dont like to make a raise here w/o a pair.
Edit: I also dont raise here PF, hence the weak flop play. i dont like putting chips here in this scenerio... |
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
If you are going to make a c-bet this is certainly a great flop to make it (occassionally I c-bet, but I generally don't do this anymore). But it is level 1 and you are still in good shape chip wise, 2 people in pot, maybe call t15 and see what turn brings, fold turn if unimproved... but you raised 5xbb preflop and got callled by 2 people, and one of them has now put out a small bet on flop... WHY? Also, look at the stack size of your opponents in the hand, they can destroy you and you have nothing!! WARNING!!!
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
[ QUOTE ]
I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise. [/ QUOTE ] this has been my experience also, so i raised. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter UTG (t800) UTG+1 (t1810) MP1 (t750) MP2 (t1115) Hero (t770) Button (t775) SB (t1105) BB (t875) Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60. Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t15</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, UTG+1 calls t185, MP2 folds. Turn: (t665) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t75</font>, hero? now what? |
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
fold like superman on laundry day.
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
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[ QUOTE ] I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise. [/ QUOTE ] this has been my experience also, so i raised. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter UTG (t800) UTG+1 (t1810) MP1 (t750) MP2 (t1115) Hero (t770) Button (t775) SB (t1105) BB (t875) Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60. Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t15</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, UTG+1 calls t185, MP2 folds. Turn: (t665) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t75</font>, hero? now what? [/ QUOTE ] Now you're in the exact spot that I was worried about. You've got 500 left, no pair no draw against a guy who minbet, called your massive raise and then led at you again. He HAS to have you beat here and I think it would be a miracle if he folded to your push, so this is a no-brainer fold. |
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Re: (33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise. [/ QUOTE ] this has been my experience also, so i raised. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter UTG (t800) UTG+1 (t1810) MP1 (t750) MP2 (t1115) Hero (t770) Button (t775) SB (t1105) BB (t875) Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60. Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t15</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, UTG+1 calls t185, MP2 folds. Turn: (t665) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t75</font>, hero? now what? [/ QUOTE ] this is the reason I hate raising here, with some players, a small bet = a small hand. however, others like to trap w/ a small bet. Unless i have SB = SH in my player notes, I dont RR this flop. Now that you are where you are, its time to fold and play the next hand. also, i would put "trap bettor" or the like in villain's notes. |
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