JJ bubble question

[KyleH186]

#Game No : 2624115628
***** Hand History for Game 2624115628 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:15298740 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Tuesday, August 30, 15:22:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 18978 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: i_candy71 ( $3302 )
Seat 1: GlobexBB ( $3539 )
Seat 4: VikUsp ( $2184 )
Seat 8: bars69 ( $975 )
Trny:15298740 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GlobexBB [ Jc Js ]
i_candy71 raises [900].
bars69 folds.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
GlobexBB will be using his time bank for this hand.
GlobexBB is all-In [3389]
VikUsp folds.
i_candy71 is all-In [2402]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 6c, 3s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]



results in white:
<font color="white"> i_candy71 shows [ Kc, As ] a pair of kings.
GlobexBB shows [ Jc, Js ] a pair of jacks.
GlobexBB wins 237 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of jacks.
i_candy71 wins 6904 chips from the main pot with a pair of kings.
</font>




I don't like the way I played this. After thinking it over like a stop and go better. Anyone agree?

[KyleH186]

bump

[parappa]

I play it the same.

You're being pretty results-oriented here. These are pretty big stacks to stop and go with, so you're letting him get off cheaply and correctly on the flop with a lot of mid PPs and big cards. Also, he could raise with a wide range of hands that you can push him off preflop here, like Kx, maybe Qx. Turns out that a stop and go would've been perfect if you were precient, but I think your play was good if you try to ignore the results. (A nice way to comfort yourself about a hand like this is to say he probably would've called on the flop anyway.)

[Bco1/75]

i haven't seen your results, but what was your read on the other player? Trying to steal or had a hand? Why not call and fire on the Q high flop? What was your image? Being on the bubble I am not sure I want a call with JJ.If he calls I'd say he at least has AQ? Lower PP if you are lucky but then I don't see him calling that. Thus I would be more inclined to take the flop and fire from there if it looked safe. I am guessing AK?

[Messy Harry]

You're on the bubble, in the chip lead, with position on the pf raiser. I'm not sure this is the right spot to gamble.

On the other hand, folding jacks 4 handed is pretty hard to do. Without reads (which were not provided in your post), I might lean towards calling and re-evaluating on the flop.

[KyleH186]

My read on the villain was that she was a total fish. Early on she was reraising with aj, and pushing with aq. I read her for a hand similar to that, in the aj, aq, ak range. I was stupid to think she could be pushed off anythign but a bluff.

[raptor517]

this is a shove by far and it isnt even relatively close. holla

[BigHobo]

I fold this without hesitation.

Think about it from villain's perspective. He's 2nd stack, betting 27% of his chips into the only player with enough chips to take him out. Meanwhile, it's the bubble and the short stack has only a couple of orbits left. If I'm villain, I only make that raise under the following conditions:

1) I have a monster hand (AA, KK, QQ, AK)
2) I'm planning on calling a re-raise

Under those conditions, as hero with the big stack (but a stack small enough to be crippled by villain), putting it on the line with JJ just doesn't make much sense.

Edit: The above assumes no significant reads.

[KyleH186]

lol seems like every response goes one way or the other.