Lose bets not pots?

Rickjohn · #1 08-24-2005, 02:02 PM

I have often heard Ed Miller says that's its better to lose bets than pots, especially on the river. Did I take that idea too far here? i.e should have have folded to the raise on the river or not?

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

jrz1972 · #2 08-24-2005, 02:07 PM

If you bet this river, you should be prepared to fold to a raise. If you can't bring yourself to fold, just check and call instead.

On this particular hand, button either had you beat on the flop (like 33) or spiked an A on the river. There is no way your hand is good 10% of the time here.

Henke · #3 08-24-2005, 02:09 PM

You're probably beaten since the only hand villain possibly could have that you beat is a busted flushdraw (diamonds). But then again, you're getting 9.5:1 on the call, and with no read I wouldn't be over 10% sure that villain didn't misclick/is a donk/is tilting/is a really bad player/really likes to bluff on suited rivers/suffers from FPS.

Duerig · #4 08-24-2005, 02:11 PM

I'm not sure if I like your flop bet. Betting 2nd pair into 6 opponents with 2 cards to come where half the deck is overcards seems like a bad idea.

nomadtla · #5 08-24-2005, 02:11 PM

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If you bet this river, you should be prepared to fold to a raise. If you can't bring yourself to fold, just check and call instead.

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Bingo!

Rickjohn · #6 08-24-2005, 02:13 PM

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I wouldn't be over 10% sure that villain didn't misclick/is a donk/is tilting/is a really bad player/really likes to bluff on suited rivers/suffers from FPS.

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LOL love it, what is FPS?

nomadtla · #7 08-24-2005, 02:16 PM

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I'm not sure if I like your flop bet. Betting 2nd pair into 6 opponents with 2 cards to come where half the deck is overcards seems like a bad idea.

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Giving those overcards/flushdraws/inside & OE straight draws/BDFD infinite odds to beat you when this is a above average flop for your hand is a far worse idea.

nomadtla · #8 08-24-2005, 02:16 PM

FPS = Fancy Play Syndrome

@bsolute_luck · #9 08-24-2005, 04:34 PM

gotta raise preflop.

fold the river.

#10 08-24-2005, 04:49 PM

Grunch

The pot is fairly big, but I don't want to put in two bets with a scare card like the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I'd check call on the river.