20/40 4 handed valuebet?

Fortitude · #1 08-18-2005, 04:15 AM

Posted this earlier but forgot to say what my hand was (oops).

button is 65/16 (mostly 4 handed) with AF of 0.9

20/40 4 handed

button opens, sb folds, i 3bet in BB with A8o, button caps

2dJcAd

check, bet, call

3d

check, bet, call

Qh

I... ?

I don't see me getting bluff raised on the river much though it could happen (his river aggression is highest of all his streets). I'm probably behind to AK-AQ, and occasionally JJ-QQ or AJ here. However, I do want to preserve the value of my hand against KK, TT-99 here. He could even have lower than 99 as pocket pairs like that get capped a lot headsups here.

Thoughts?

wackjob · #2 08-18-2005, 04:20 AM

Why didn't you raise here sooner?

goofball · #3 08-18-2005, 04:22 AM

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Fortitude · #4 08-18-2005, 04:25 AM

My equity against his range of pre flop capping hands is less than 50%. However, the pot is big and I still need to see showdown. I see no point in taking the lead out of position in this hand where I'm more likely behind than ahead. Raising will only push out hands I want to continue betting into me and get more money in there against hands i want to see showdown with cheaply.

Why would you want to raise here?

wackjob · #5 08-18-2005, 04:32 AM

I want to raise because I want to get more bets when I have the best hand. I figure you to have the best hand here a fair amount. Perhaps with your strong reads and better experience at higher limits you know that you don't have the best hand, in which case I wonder why you haven't folded yet.

Fortitude · #6 08-18-2005, 04:35 AM

I gave you his range of pre flop capping hands. How can you go on to say I have the best hand? If you have a good tactical reason to check raise on the flop or turn here, I'd be glad to hear it. Anyone else?

kurosh · #7 08-18-2005, 04:39 AM

Easy answer. Do the math. You know his hand range. You know what will happen if you bet. You have a good idea what will happen if you check. Figure it out.

Drontier · #8 08-18-2005, 04:39 AM

c/r flop, if he 3 bets(play by reads) otherwise lead turn and fold to raise.

wackjob · #9 08-18-2005, 04:51 AM

I thought my reply was pretty explanatory. Obviously you think your play was superior, so why ask for discussion?

Fortitude · #10 08-18-2005, 04:54 AM

I like this answer and I wish it were that easy. I feel like check / call, check / call and bet / fold the river is the correct line here but so far this line doesn't have one vote. What don't you guys like about it and why do you want to raise so much on the flop or turn?