AQ against 5 callers

Red_Eye_Jedi · #1 07-28-2005, 04:37 AM

4-8 game at the Bike. Im not sure what to think about this hand. I just sat down 5 or 6 hands ago, so no real reads on anyones play, but the hands I had seen were pretty loose and fast.

UTG goes all in with 7 chips, 5 calls around to me in the BB. Look down and find A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I call. Flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I open, they all call. Turn is 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB checks, I check, MP player bets, all fold to SB who raises. This is where Im stuck. I am pretty sure the first better wont make it three bets, so I call. MP calls. The rivers a brick. SB bets , I fold, and MP calls. My thinking on the river is with action behind me, I dont want a crying call to turn into two bets.

How'd I do on the turn and river?

Piiop · #2 07-28-2005, 04:41 AM

You should've bet the turn. You had top two pair and the nut-flush draw. There is no reason to check there.

#3 07-28-2005, 05:15 AM

I might have 3-bet PF. With all those outs and the possibility I have the best hand, I might 3-bet the turn also.

I probably wouldn't have checked the turn though.

clownshoes · #4 07-28-2005, 08:16 AM

You really really need to bet the turn. Not only because youre probably still ahead but you also have the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. The river fold is worse.

billyjex · #5 07-28-2005, 08:30 AM

wow, this sucks.

it's already been said. bet the turn, don't fold the river, grow some balls.

W. Deranged · #6 07-28-2005, 09:24 AM

You need to realize that on the turn, not only do you have top two pair, but you have 13 outs to improve to a boat or the nut flush. With 46 unexposed cards, you are 29% or so to improve to a lock hand. If you bet the turn and everyone calls, you are making money on that street even if there is a 0% chance that you are already ahead!

Don't live in such fear of flushes, particularly when you have redraws.

Folding top two pair simply because there is a flush on board on the river in live 4-8 is a trainwreck. Please don't do that anymore.

brettbrettr · #7 07-28-2005, 10:26 AM

Don't check the turn. I also don't understand why you called the turn to fold the river. I"d lead the turn, call a raise, and call a river bet. Might be a lot of bets with a loser, but I'm not so quick to give people credit for the fluish when the board is filled with big cards and you could often have the best hand.

W. Deranged · #8 07-28-2005, 10:30 AM

Would you say the river fold makes the OP... I don't know... a GIANT CLOWN SHOE???

j/k

Seriously, though, to the OP, do NOT make "big folds" in limit games. There is really no other lesson that is more important to learn.

Red_Eye_Jedi · #9 07-28-2005, 06:44 PM

LOL at clown shoe.

Yep, Reading this hand again after some sleep, its pretty easy to see I completly pussed out. Its not necessarily the diamond on the turn that scared me off. It was the ten of diamonds. All i could think was that KJ got there, along with every flush draw. Turns out my read was right, but I had a nagging suspicion that I played the hand like crap, so I decided to post it here for confirmation.

As for making "big laydowns" in a limit game, I know what youre saying, but Ive learned to trust my reads in certain situations. I knew I was beat, and Im not donating an extra BB when Im positive Im beat.

RIDGE45 · #10 07-28-2005, 06:54 PM

You can't fold the river getting ~16 to 1 on your call. I think with this hand you win more often than you might think. Even if you feel you are beat I think this call is +EV in the long run, considering the other hands that could be out there that you do beat. Even though you were beat in this situation, I think its an automatic call with top two.