Man, what happened to the page?

[Fishy]

Went away for 2 days and damn!

Anyway, this feels so stupid but I contacted Mason Malmuth via email with regards to buying an ad space here just so I can include the afiliate bonus code, so it will be more tolerable to the less flexible minded members. Or maybe I'll chuck this thing all together, was only experimenting but it seems like a waste of time.

Another thing is I gave much moral thought when a friend of mind asked me to help him make a bot to play online poker, and he also want me to help him with the optimal collusion strategy. Now whether you believe me or not, I have never attempted to use such techniques to gain an advantage, if I was that entrepreneurial I would have went ahead with his idea. I am still giving it much thought. My friend post here as BrianMarc.

Another thing, I have no relation with OC nor Eugeneel, they are both living in USA. I think the more intelligent members here would be able to figure that out from the differences between our prose, but experience here taught me to tolerate variances both in poker and human intellect.
Since I need my credit card to fund my accounts, pokerstars have my real details:
http://www.pokerstars.com/wsop2003_players.html

Notice Scotland is not a place in Florida. I think the only similarities with Eugeneel and OC is our age and maybe poker skill.

It is getting really difficult to discuss any subject here in a civilise manner, maybe that is why you need to pass exams and SAT tests before you can open your mouth in University. However, I still believe that overall the zoo has a high percentage of intelligent guys, am most impress with how Mason, MSsun, Crazy, Jason, handles the recent frustrations but it really gets bad when some members loses both their brain and humor.

PS: OC, I don't pimp Russian girls, however I do know many beautiful Russian girls and can introduce you for a feejk and please calm down for the goodness of mankind, when you feel an urge to post, give it a 5 mins delay and think if it is really worth posting.

[maplepig]

just curious

[Please Explain]

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Glad you are back. This was forwaded to me from a friend. Can you Please Explain?

<font color="red">Subj: N A Weelnam (Man Lee Wan) why are you lying to these people?
Date: 6/19/2003 12:35:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: emperorwong@rescueteam.com
To: xxxxxx@yahoo.co.uk
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N A Weelnam, why are you deceiving these people? You said you are offering a "special bonus" when in fact this is the standard bonus given by Party Poker:

http://www.wsop.dk/partypoker.htm

http://www.wsop.dk/empirepoker.htm



In fact there is a guy on rec.gambling.poker who will give you the above deal and throw in $25 extra. On the website twoplustwo.com some guy was giving away an extra $75, the whole referral bonus, so why should anybody sign u p with you, especially when you are lying?

Oh, and I understand you get a percentage of the rake from us for our whole life of play! Why didn't you mention that little fact, especially since that gives you an incentive to make us play in a certain way. The looser we are, the bigger the pots and hence the more the rake! Why the deceit? So you can own us for life?



Not to mention the collusion. On the twoplustwo.com site there is a great deal of discussion among the regular posters, several of whom are very knowledgeable and upstanding members of the online community, about how you (named "fishy") and one or two other guys, have spammed the board and been involved in unethical behavior. Your buddy, Onlinechamp, appears to have been thrown off of Ultimatebet.com for cheating (collusion)? Some have said you are in fact him pretending to be someone else. Your posting styles are very similar, and he helped you spam that group for several days.

Your offer to bankroll other players sure smell like collusion, but the poker sites will take your money if they find this out. ACR took $5,000 from one player when this happened, even the initial buy-in. Come to think of it, you have admitted to belonging to the David Morse sports casino groups, which lost tens of thousands of dollars after they found out that there was a collusion scam going on and confiscated all the money. It seems like you sure learned a lot from that one, and are now trying it here.

All this from somebody who claims to be a "world class player" even though he has won zero major circuit tournaments, and the top players never even heard of him. If you have to toot your own horn it must be broken! Anybody will tell you, if you play according to a set series of rules, like a computer program such as you are selling, you'll get your butt kicked when the players figure out the pattern. Anybody, even an average let along "world class player" should know this is obvious. But not obvious to you, I guess.

"Fishy", aka "N A Weelnam", aka Man Lee Wan...so much deceit and lies, all for a few dollars.

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[Fishy]

I never got this email Never knew there was a big investigation going on about me by Emperor but I thought $100 was the max bonus you can get at those places. Special bonus simply meant no other guy have my codes. I stopped pushing the codes now, why all the fuss in a little experiment??

As for OC cheating on UB? I don't know anything. We never play together unless it is like the zoo tournaments. Ask the cardrooms if he is the same person, I'm sick of explaining that he is some kid from Florida and I'm another kid in UK.
I don't think he even knows how to collude, given his ignorance to pot odds.

I don't play by a set of computer rules, how you figure? Why do you care if I get my butt kicked or not? EmperorWong?

I didn't get this email. It looks like an email for me. Geez, what a little bonus code signing up experiment can do?You guys really have a lot of spare time.

[Fishy]

"On the website twoplustwo.com some guy was giving away an extra $75, the whole referral bonus, so why should anybody sign u p with you, especially when you are lying?"

That nice guy who gave away the whole referral bonus was me to Edisto, get your facts right before you start spreading stupid rumors.

As for why should they sign up? It's up to them, but I was going to give out help to beginners with it until morons like you came along to piss me off and couldn't be bother to help.

About the computer strategy, that was a tool for beginners. As for the top players doesn't know me, who cares?? David Morse was a top blackjack player, friend with Tommy Hyland, many top blackjack teamplayers do know me not that I wanted to. Sillyboy, go gather more info and come back, this is fun detective work eh?

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Sillyboy, go gather more info and come back, this is fun detective work

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I am not gathering information, just passing along information. I thought it was important because it demonstrates that your scam was possibly more than affiliate based, but collusion based.

Don't kill the messenger.

This is my job, it is what I do.

[Fishy]

"Don't kill the messenger.
This is my job, it is what I do."

Funny guy, who paid you to spread rumors? You want to pass along more info about me to the whole wide world? Email me for my private fantasies and fishy's fetishes. Reply to you tommorrow, it's late in UK.

[Instinct]

Fishy,

DO You have any explanation for your "friend" brianmarc who apparently posted here a while back looking for another player to play "team" with him. You state in your post he was looking at optimum collusion strategy.
If he knew you well, why was he on 2+2 looking for a player to play as a team remotely? He said he was from NYC and he certainly made no referrence to being your friend.

Seems very "fishy" to me.

Instinct

[Fishy]

I think most of your questions should be directed to him, you can ask him directly if his spam guard is not on:

http://www.investmenttechnologies.co...IT.htm#Company

[Stagemusic]

He said he was from NYC and he certainly made no referrence to being your friend.

Let's not be too silly here Instinct. With the way Fishy has been harpooned, lambasted, villified, and stomped on in this forum, would YOU affirm being his friend? Why would he mention it?