World Series Main Event Evolution: Harder Then Or Now?

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The average player today is much better than the average player of yesteryear, no matter what the old coots want you to think.

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This is true without doubt, but even if it weren't true I don't get how people can imagine that a huge field is easier to get through than a small field just because the average skill in the smaller field is higher. You still have to win many times as many chips! Unless you think today's non-pros are so bad that they are always drawing dead, then it's pretty obvious that winning in huge fields is harder.

Was annie duke winning the 10-player TOC was arguably more difficult than raymer winning the main event? No, it's insane.

The difficulty of winning a multi-table tournament is almost directly proportional to the field size, with all other factors nearly invisible by comparison.

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The reason people make this argument is because of the level of dead money. Now the tournament, because of the size, requires more luck and has a larger variance. Does that make it harder...

A better question is would a non pro have a better chance winning a 100 person tourt were the 100 are the top 100 tourt players in the world (thus all 100 are better then him). Or, would it be harder for a non pro a tourt against 6000 people 5,000 of which are on his level or worse. There’s a lot more chips in the latter that the non pro can pick up, does that make it easier to come though a 6,000 person field, probably not.


Even more accurate way of looking at this is how much of a return a player can expect on his buyin over the long term. I would say for a non pro this number would be negative in the early tourts. Can't really argue any other way, look at amateurs record back then. Now consider today. Many not so great armatures I could argue, could show a profit over the long term at the current WSOP because of the level of play of the other competitors. Does this mean its easier...

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Let's say you play in a tournament with 39 of the top pro's today.

And let's say next week you play in a tournament with 3999 players who are all so bad that they don't even understand the hand rankings. They simply move their chips in randomly and wait to see if the dealer tells them that are a winner or not. In other words, they just treat the game like a pure gamble.

Which tourney would be harder to win?

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better question which would be more profitable.

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Well the big difference is "average" players didn't play in the WSOP back then.

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"average" player in the event. Do you really need everything spelled out?

Many of the people in the WSOP years ago had NO idea how to play NL hold em. As in, they were practically drawing dead, unlike nowadays, where almost everybody has >$5000 equity from the buy-in.

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Let's say you play in a tournament with 39 of the top pro's today.

And let's say next week you play in a tournament with 3999 players who are all so bad that they don't even understand the hand rankings. They simply move their chips in randomly and wait to see if the dealer tells them that are a winner or not. In other words, they just treat the game like a pure gamble.

Which tourney would be harder to win?

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better question which would be more profitable.

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His question regards winning the event.

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Let's say you play in a tournament with 39 of the top pro's today.

And let's say next week you play in a tournament with 3999 players who are all so bad that they don't even understand the hand rankings. They simply move their chips in randomly and wait to see if the dealer tells them that are a winner or not. In other words, they just treat the game like a pure gamble.

Which tourney would be harder to win?

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better question which would be more profitable.

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His question regards winning the event.

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WS Main Event Harder then or Now.... Imma say thats pretty general.

More profitable know that for sure.

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Let's say you play in a tournament with 39 of the top pro's today.

And let's say next week you play in a tournament with 3999 players who are all so bad that they don't even understand the hand rankings. They simply move their chips in randomly and wait to see if the dealer tells them that are a winner or not. In other words, they just treat the game like a pure gamble.

Which tourney would be harder to win?

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better question which would be more profitable.

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His question regards winning the event.

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WS Main Event Harder then or Now.... Imma say thats pretty general.

More profitable know that for sure.

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With out looking at the profitability of each, its like asking which is harder, winning a lottery with 10 people or winning a lottery with 1000, pokers more then that. You have to look at the profitability of each, to draw an accurate conclusion.

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Well the big difference is "average" players didn't play in the WSOP back then.

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"average" player in the event. Do you really need everything spelled out?

Many of the people in the WSOP years ago had NO idea how to play NL hold em. As in, they were practically drawing dead, unlike nowadays, where almost everybody has >$5000 equity from the buy-in.

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lets see, Brunson, Pearson,Roberts,Moss,Preston,Strauss. Yeah bunch of pushovers.

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Let's say you play in a tournament with 39 of the top pro's today.

And let's say next week you play in a tournament with 3999 players who are all so bad that they don't even understand the hand rankings. They simply move their chips in randomly and wait to see if the dealer tells them that are a winner or not. In other words, they just treat the game like a pure gamble.

Which tourney would be harder to win?

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better question which would be more profitable.

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Without knowing the entry fees and payout structure there is no way to answer this question.

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Well the big difference is "average" players didn't play in the WSOP back then.

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"average" player in the event. Do you really need everything spelled out?

Many of the people in the WSOP years ago had NO idea how to play NL hold em. As in, they were practically drawing dead, unlike nowadays, where almost everybody has >$5000 equity from the buy-in.

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Are you claiming theres more dead money back then, then now?????

Please check your facts.

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how can you even compare [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Profitability of each!!!