Ok gentlemen, you have a mental case on your hands, help (Very Long)

[DanS]

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Guys thanks for the suggestions.
It seems to me unless your mr. super discipline, as a poker player you will have times when you will blow threw a large portion of your bankroll. You can't tell me alot of you all haven't done it once or twice. I'll be the scapegoat that you can point the finger at, but are you sure your not seeing yourselves in me. In the back of your minds worrying how the game fills your thoughts all day long, while your wife ask you to take out the trash and all you are thinking about is how you could have squeezed out an extra BB out of Sammy Loose Villian when you flopped the nut str8. All the newbies leaving short message " you got a problem etc.". Most, if not all, the regulars I sit with every week are addicted to the game, we live this s. I have an entire bookshelf of poker books I have read 2 times each minimum. I have a problem with steaming at times and maybe playing internet poker w/ my entire bankroll sitting within a button click isn't for me. Now deal me in. You guys like how I got real defensive. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Check out my other post. You definitely have a problem... either you have a gambling problem, or you have a 'crazy ass monkey tilt' problem. Assuming it's the latter, you need to do a couple of things:

1) Work on issues you struggle with in life, non-poker wise. Just trust me, you'll thank me later.

2) Go read these books: Zen and the Art of Poker, Shut Up and Deal, and Killer Poker. I'm dead serious. TOP, HPFAP, GTOT, etc. taught me how to understand the game. These three books taught me how to *play* the game.

[LoosenUp]

Thanks Dan i'll check them out. Your #1 suggestion is so true, it effects our game extensively. Thanks for reminding me. I'm not an easy tilter, honestly i can get pretty badly beat up and still bring my A-game. But once an awhile I blow up and watch out bankroll, ah ba bye. Its funny I play my worse when my poker bankroll is healthy, My best poker is played when i have my net worth on the table (LoL) or someone is staking me. I think most players are opposite. I'd be interested to here feed back on this.

[LoosenUp]

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I am well aware that generally speaking stop-loss policy is not encouraged by this forum, and from the professional's point of view it is a stupid tactic.
But, you need stop-loss and a pretty tight one, if you want to continue with this game. Here is what you need to do: Come in to your online session with two buy-ins just like you do in B&M. Take at least one hour break if one buy-in is lost. Call it a day if two buy-ins are lost. Moving up levels is not allowed until you have at least twelve buy-ins
for a higher level.
Time your game. Put a time limit with an alarm clock. Quit as soon as the alarm is ringing. Repeat until you are able to do this without effort. Session results should not matter at all. When you can quit without knowing how much you won or lost, this exercise is successful.

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great solid foundation girchuck, really a test and discipline. Thanks for the ideas

[DanS]

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Its funny I play my worse when my poker bankroll is healthy, My best poker is played when i have my net worth on the table (LoL) or someone is staking me. I think most players are opposite. I'd be interested to here feed back on this.

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This is true with me as well. I play 5/10 and 10/206max and casino whore. I generally keep low five figures in Neteller.

The handful of times I've run bad/played worse for an extended period of time and find myself just not giving a sh!t, here's what I do: I pull all my money from Neteller except for a thousand or two, and then I bonus whore my ass off. For some reason the knowledge that break even poker will still make me $40-50/hr, and 1+ bb/hour play will make me $60-80/hr gets me back on track.

So it's true... when some of us have too much cash or money in Neteller ON HAND, we don't always play out best.

Dan

P.S. I bet you check your cashier function at least every few minutes like I do. Now if you had any advice on that, I'm all ears. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[QuadsOverQuads]

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I was playing my usuall tight aggressive game very solid.

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No, you weren't. Either your usual game isn't tight-aggressive or you weren't playing that same way when you lost it all.

I have a similar problem I'm struggling with in my own game, and it goes something like this: when I'm on a short roll, I play winning poker, but when I get some extra money in my pocket two things change on me. First, my GAME changes (especially my postflop game, where it's more about reading situations than about cookbook hand-selection). Second, my PERCEPTION OF MY GAME changes. I think I'm playing the same as I did when I was short-rolled -- and I even think this way when I'm closely examining my decisions -- but my bankroll tells me that I'm clearly NOT playing the same. Something is changing, but my ability to see it is either weak or nonexistent.

My only solution at this time is to take a long step back from the table and stop playing until I can identify and correct what these changes were/are. To do anything less is bad poker, in and of itself.


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[ChrisCo]

How in the hell have you read so many poker books and spent so much time on two plus two and not know the first thing about bankroll management?

I play 10 20 short with a 20k roll. Just today I dropped 3k in one 2 hour session. It sucks to go through these swings but if you practice proper bankroll management a downswing will seem alot less severe. The swings in these games can be HUGE. Be prepared for them by having the proper bankroll.

[SittingBull]

personality at the table. UR a wild,LOOSE player. That's the reason y ur swings are horrendous. U do not have the name"LOOSENUP" for nothing. It speaks of ur VERY loose plays at the table(online).
I wasn't given the name "SittingBull" for nothing. I SIT on it a lot BEFORE I decide to engage in battle.
"SittingBull"

[raptor517]

wow. all of these people telling you you have a gambling problem. thats sick. you just go a bit crazy sometimes. it happens. i feel discustingly sick at this point now. i do things 10 times worse, and im 19. ugh. i should call that hotline.. holla

[charmy]

You got 2 know when 2 fold em. Know when 2 walk away. Know when 2 run. Follow the 30 Big Bet Rule and u will survive. Survive. Survive. Survive.