Tournament Tactics Question

[mrbaseball]

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you're bound to pick up a better hand than 8 high

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But are you gonna pick up that hand against only the blinds? I prefer a suited 8 high on a folded to me button than a K or A high utg.

[MVicuna]

Hi,

Under normal cicrumstances I'd push rather then fold, but the table conditions being that I just doubled someone up make me want to fold.

I think a lot of Fold Equity could be eaten up by the fact I just lost a pot the hand before so the calls might be a lot looser then normal if I'd just folded the last 4 hands and pushed on the button.

Later,
MarkV.

[t_petrosian]

Push...suited connectors, two live cards, folded to you on the button so you open raise...

[t_petrosian]

According to Harrington in his new book, you should definitely push here. If your "M" is below 5 (your stack / pot-size after blinds and antes), you should be looking to OPEN raise all in with any reasonable hand, including big card-rag, pocket pairs, suited connectors, any connectors... especially as your M approaches 0, which it is. You will NOT necessarily be called here, because you are betting 5 X the BB. A caller will be getting 3 to 2 on his money, so you can't necessarily assume he's going to call with any two. The key point is that when you are this short, you are not looking to have a hand to double up with necessarily (although that would be nice), but you are looking for SITUATIONS to build your stack back. Increasing your stack by 50% is just this moment...The key issue is that you are open raising and have a chance to steal here.

[Xelent]

Note* I'm kinda messed up right now so I may sound completely retarded or missed something incredibly obvious.

I only read about half the posts so someone may have mentioned this or I just might be too high, but why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that first place is worth $1 mill and 2nd is for $18K. This is a theory question, we aren't considering the numbers compared to our lives, we are considering them as a percentage against one another. 10K buyin with 320 players where 2nd pays 18K. The equity of getting first place far outweighs the consideration of this hand at a basic strategy question. We have to look at the fact that we want to push and not only that we should expect to be called and WANT to be called by a wide variety of hands by atleast the BB because he also wants first place. I'm pushing almost any two cards on the next hand even if I double up this hand.

[luvrhino]

19th-27th pays $18K (assuming 9 player tables). The problem didn't mention how much for 2nd, but i imagine that 2nd probably paid something North of $500K. If 2nd-27th all earned $18K and the winner got $1M, the casino cut of the $3.2M pool would be over 50%.

Obviously, you'd push 86s in the winner-takes-all, satellite-like scenario you interpreted.

[autobet]

I would fold. These players should call with almost any two cards to try and bust me.

[PCFordham]

I'm confused, people say to fold because you're going to get called. As the button goes farther and farther away you will get called by multiple people without doubt. Here is your last chance to raise and win the blinds with no hand and you're going to pass?!?!?!?! That is weak pasive thinking and that never gets you in the money. So what the BB calls...let's gamble and try and win...or you fold and push in middle position with KJ off...and get called by a guy with AQ and guy with KK...no chance

THERE IS NO BETTER SPOT FOR YOU PERIOD....

antes are to high

[oreogod]

Havent read the thread...but this is a pretty easy push. Folding is pretty bad. Im guessing the answers are somewhat split...but realize this is probably the best situation u will find yourself in to get more chips. I think your chances of winning, combined with the odds of BB calling make u slightly ahead. I want to say 60-65 percent.

You need to push here. Folding is really bad in that, you will probably be eliminated before the money, and even if you just make it, you are not making it far.

So if all u care about is trying to limp over the bubble, fold, but its doubtful that even then u'd make it. Pushing more than doubles your chances to 1. Make the money...2. make it farther into the money

Going to read the thread now...

[oreogod]

Also, if u keep waiting for another hand, the antes keep eating away at your stack, so when u finally find something half decent, your stack is much smaller than it is now, so when u double up, it doesnt exactly help you much...and the longer you wait the worse your postion gets and the greater the odds are of someone calling your push.

If you're going to get some chips now is the time to do it.