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Old 06-10-2005, 01:48 PM
antifish225 antifish225 is offline
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Default TJ Suited/Off Suit

Hate this hand in middle position when it is folded to me, on an 'average/quasi tight' table do you:

- Open Raise as a semi steal for MP2 or MP3
- Fold
- Open Limp

I don't love any of these options, as this hand plays best in a large field (especially suited) and you are pretty much guaranteed a small field with 3-4 folds in front of you, open raising seems to be working best based on my PT stats....would love to hear how everyone is playing this. Thanks
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

I wouldn't play it in MP, especially not while being the first one in.
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

Suited = open raise
off suit = fold
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:52 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

Thanks
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:54 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

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Suited = open raise
off suit = fold

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Old 06-10-2005, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

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Suited = open raise
off suit = fold

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Unless I have at least 2 limpers ahead of me, I don't come in with JTo.
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Old 06-10-2005, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

JTs is a much better hand than JTo.
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Old 06-10-2005, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

>>JTs is a much better hand than JTo.

Why? You only make a flush around 4% of the time. I think folks are WAY too in love with suited cards.
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Old 06-10-2005, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

Suited cards give you more options post flop and allow you to play you hand much faster at times. This helps in picking up pots.
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Old 06-11-2005, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: TJ Suited/Off Suit

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JTs is a much better hand than JTo.

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Why? You only make a flush around 4% of the time. I think folks are WAY too in love with suited cards.

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You make a flush 7% of the time, and when you have even a flush draw, you can often pump that for value, or make cheap semi-bluffs. While you chase a flush, you often win with a pair, two pair, trips, or a back-door straight.

According to PokerRoom's stats, JTo loses from every every position at some limit in full games. At $1/$2, it only wins from the button, 0.02 BB/hand, and breaks even from MP3.

At $1-$2, JTs wins from every position except UTG, including the blinds! JTs wins 0.25 BB/hand on the button. Overall, JTs wins 0.15 BB/hand.

Many fish overvalue suited garbage, but suitedness adds a lot of value to a hand that is otherwise decent.
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