Very cool AJs hand (plus hand reading)

[benkath1]

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I think SB has a lower J here, if he really is a rock.

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Two cards, plus explanation, please, IF he's not bluffing. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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OK I'm going with the Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[DRD66]

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I figure that villain is bluffing. I'm prepared to call a three-bet.

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Even if you DON'T think villian is bluffing, shouldn't this be an easy call of a 3-bet? His raise makes 19BB in the pot, meaning you need to win this hand 5% of the time to make that call profitable. You call no matter what you put him on.

[Aaron W.]

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I've been at this table for a long time, but it's the villain's first orbit.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG folds.

River: (14 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...

This is the weirdest action that I've seen in a long time (in a hand that I've participated in). I figure that villain is bluffing. I'm prepared to call a three-bet. How's my play?

For a fun hand-reading exercise, if the villain isn't bluffing, and isn't tricky, what does he have?

--Dave.

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That play matches a J6s that wants to be aggressive, but keeps scaring himself into believing you have a better jack (which you do, but he doesn't really know that). I would be highly amused if that were actually right, but I can't imagine any other jack donking around with a double stop and go.

If you figure villain is bluffing, why raise? If he's bluffing, he's folding to a raise.

Now if you think he's value betting a hand worse than yours, a raise makes much more sense, because you expect him to actually call.

[sin808]

I'd say QJs or JTs would be my first guess if he's not a total idiot.

[DavidC]

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That play matches a J6s that wants to be aggressive, but keeps scaring himself into believing you have a better jack (which you do, but he doesn't really know that). I would be highly amused if that were actually right, but I can't imagine any other jack donking around with a double stop and go.


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Firstly, you're right: Jack-six... f-ing jack-six!

The more I think about this, the more I think that J6s is a great read: fish are much more likely to play J6s than J6, and everyone else is almost definitely not going to play J6o.

I can just picture this:

Him: "Oh cool, I paired up. Is my hand good?"
Me: "No, I raise."
Him: "Ok."

Him: "Wow, three-of-a-kind... that's like really high up there in the poker charts. Is my hand good now?"
Me: "No!"
Him: "Hmm... Ok."

Him: "Oh my god, full house, that's like, huge, right?"
Me: "No; no, it's not."
Him: "Wow, you must have a really good hand. I call."

Yes, he called with J6... Hey, sometimes I might raise the entire field with J8. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

... Just checked PT, and he had J6o. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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If you figure villain is bluffing, why raise? If he's bluffing, he's folding to a raise.

Now if you think he's value betting a hand worse than yours, a raise makes much more sense, because you expect him to actually call.

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I thought that he was representing the flush (bluffing), but that he did have a jack, meaning that he would be willing to call my raise.

Probably the funniest thing was that he was thinking for a few moments before he called, and I said, out loud, "There's NO way you have jack-six!"

He called and I yelled out, "Oh my god! I can't believe that! That's just not right!"

--Dave.