Men the Master - 55

curtains · #1 05-07-2005, 05:08 PM

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but I find it hard to believe that Men had 55 that one hand against Hellmuth.

trying2learn · #2 05-07-2005, 05:14 PM

what do you mean you find it hard to believe?

they showed it on camera. unless they spliced footage from another hand where he had 55 and put into that one with that board...that's a pretty big conspiracy theory...with no point as to why they would do that.

but that call at the end was amazing...88, 99, or 67 are the only hands that beat you there...couldn't believe he made the call...maybe that's what you mean.

CanKid · #3 05-07-2005, 05:34 PM

Master my ass, easy fold.

curtains · #4 05-07-2005, 05:53 PM

They never showed the hand face up. I just don't believe he had 55 there. Cmon, Phil calls preflop, the turn brings him a set, and Men check calls and then check calls to a duece on the river.

You do realize there is a lot of history for television broadcasts of poker to show hands that the players actually didn't have. When play is so inconsistant with the strength of a hand, I'm going to be skeptical.

primetime32 · #5 05-07-2005, 07:23 PM

I didnt think of the fixed TV angle, but if it wasnt fixed that was an all time great play by men. I dont know of too many people that would not raise in that spot. The only thinking is that he felt phil either had a monster or nothing and he had nothing to gain by raising.

and now that i think about it, that would be the exact hand to show phil and rub it in his face that he had just read him like a book. Interesting.

Smoothcall · #6 05-07-2005, 07:34 PM

I caught the end of the hand but when i looked i saw just the flop 589 rainbow and men mucking. I couldnt believe that laydown. especially for men who has tons of gamble in him. I must have seen it wrong. otherwise it was a fantasic laydown that probably almost nobody les in the oturnament would have made!

curtains · #7 05-07-2005, 07:41 PM

He didnt fold , he called.

twankerr · #8 05-07-2005, 07:49 PM

Men saw the five and actually grimaced too. The only thing I can think of is the way Phil thought about betting the flop. Maybe Men had a pretty good thought that Phil had a draw. When Phil bets the turn, he probably hit his draw.

curtains · #9 05-07-2005, 07:50 PM

I want to hear one good player say they would consider playing 55 like that and give me some reasons why, and until then I simply don't believe Men had 55.

jenium · #10 05-07-2005, 09:02 PM

Please explain the hand Greg... I didnt catch it.