My first $33 and a tough decision early

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Had a terrible day at the tables so what better to lose more money than move up in limits. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

3 parts to this question. 1. My call...

2. My min raise.

3. Now what?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

SB (t960)
BB (t800)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t740)
MP1 (t2070)
MP2 (t585)
MP3 (t775)
Hero (t775)
Button (t510)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t45.

Flop: (t135) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t900 (All-In)</font>, Hero ?

[ripped]

I dont like the call for 4x the bb. Treat TT as you would 66 because if this situation does happen you are going to throw around lots of chips too early in the tournament.

[john_]

1. I think your call here is ok.
2. I don't really like this mini-raise unless you're going to immediately know to fold to their all in.
3. Refer to 2.

An additional question...why move up in limit when you've had a terrible downswing? You quite possibly could be tilted and it sounds like you could not survive a negative variance swing at a higher level.

[Big Limpin']

I'd be quite sure SB has bigger PP than you. Blinds that can see flop for free/cheap, but chose to pop it preflop...id say this is AA/KK (maybe QQ) more often than not.

He continues the flop, you raise. Put yourself in his shoes. What hands would he push with?

I suppose, in this situation, you have T250 left if you bail, and you have &gt;T1000 if you win. Thats real juicy, but i'd honestly say that you are behind more than 3/4 of the time. And have an 8% chance of drawing out.

I think fold is best.

Why minraise half your stack?

[adanthar]

I'd raise PF. Open limping UTG is one thing but in the cutoff, you should be raising for value. Having limped, the PF call is fine.

Instead of raising the flop, in this situation, I call planning to fold any turn if he bets again. If he has six outs and just happens to hit, good for him.

[hummusx]

I don't entirely agree with the rest of the responses here.

Limp/raise, I go both ways here. Calling the raise is fine.

I don't like the min-raise on the flop, unless your plan was to pop him and the be done with the hand.

As far as people point out that he almost certainly has you beat, I'm not sure this is true. People will make this move with A9, or even any two overcards. I've also seen people do this with a lower pair because they think you are trying to steal a pot and they probably have you beat. At the 33s, I wouldn't be surprised if you are ahead here.

[Nottom]

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I dont like the call for 4x the bb. Treat TT as you would 66 because if this situation does happen you are going to throw around lots of chips too early in the tournament.

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I'd call with 66 too.

[Nottom]

1) Preflop call is fine IMO
2) I'd make it a bit more, maybe 250.
3) I'd curse about it and fold.

Edit - i didn't notice that you open-limper form the CO. This is an easy raise PF.

[tjh]

I posted a similar question last night.

JJ SNG question

Difference was I had Pocket JJ's I had raised preflop and I bet the flop he reraised and I folded. The advice I got was that I should push.

The differences may be significant.

I was raising, in your case he was raising. How does the gap principal work there? You need a better hand to call a raise than to make a raise. Do we assume that other players follow that advice ?

What I took away from my post is that pushing with overpair is alright.

I got no support for folding.

Slightly different circumstances but the basics are similar.

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tjh

[Scuba Chuck]

A) I'm actually happy there is a raiser. Makes the pot bigger for you.

B) More often than not, you are ahead here on the flop.

C) The danger here is that you did not reraise PF (to see where you stand) IMO, this danger is minimal here.