80-160 TDL 2-7 hand

[AJo Go All In]

Hand #xxxxxxxxxxxx at Olevetta ($80/$160 Triple Draw 2-7)
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crazyplayer is at seat 0 with $4973.50 (sitting out).
RQFT is at seat 1 with $7883.50.
ME is at seat 2 with $4711.
style1969 is at seat 3 with $12209.
renkon is at seat 4 with $3416.
PhilHellmuth is at seat 5 with $7653.
The button is at seat 2.

style1969 posts the small blind of $40.
renkon posts the big blind of $80.

RQFT: -- -- -- -- --
ME: 7s 5c 4c Th 3h
style1969: -- -- -- -- --
renkon: -- -- -- -- --
PhilHellmuth: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

PhilHellmuth folds. RQFT raises to $160. ME
re-raises to $240. style1969 calls. renkon folds.
RQFT calls.

style1969 takes 2 cards. RQFT takes 2 cards.
ME takes 1 card.

RQFT: -- -- -- -- --
ME: 7s 5c 4c 3h Kc
style1969: -- -- -- -- --

Second Round:

style1969 checks. RQFT checks. ME bets $80.
style1969 calls. RQFT calls.

style1969 takes 2 cards. RQFT takes 2 cards.
ME takes 1 card.

RQFT: -- -- -- -- --
ME: 7s 5c 4c 3h 7d
style1969: -- -- -- -- --

Third Round:

style1969 checks. RQFT checks. ME checks.


style1969 takes 2 cards. RQFT takes 2 cards.
ME takes 1 card.

RQFT: -- -- -- -- --
ME: 7s 5c 4c 3h 5d
style1969: -- -- -- -- --

Final Round:

style1969 checks. RQFT checks. ME bets
$160.

[dibbs]

Stakes are about 80-160x over my head so my words have very little value here, but I find this hand interesting so I'll give my thoughts.

First Round: Looks good, I imagine you put RQFT on a decent two card draw and wanted to isolate/buy button. FWIW, as a novice I usually don't play 3457x like this due to the possible straight draw, you know your way around the game better than I do though.

Second Round: Pretty standard stuff. Good to see them both still at 2.

Third Round: Pretty standard as well I think. May as well not risk facing two bets here if one gets tricky.

Final Round: Folding is much more frequent here than in my games, I actually like this. They were still both drawing two, and you've shown strength the entire way. I imagine they'd have to at least make a decent 8 to call you here, once again though I don't know the game very well.

I played a similiar hand the other day except I got it headsup by the end, my 2357x paired threes on the last draw and when he checked I fired, he had been drawing two the entire time, he however called me with an 87. I've been thinking a lot lately about how much you can get away with bluffing a busted 1 draw in position against one or two opponents drawing two. I think this is actually a good spot for a bet. Of course, like I said I am a novice.

[timprov]

This would be why you bet when a card ahead after the second draw, yes? Especially having paired a seven. I think I bet, and if they somehow call and draw 2, stand pat and snow.

[dibbs]

There are definitly arguments for betting here. Since they both drew 2 you are still probably ahead, and if one of them did improve it is probably still a 1 card draw.

My logic may be way off, but I feel that the check behind gives more credit to his bluff on the end. It's obvious he has a good one card draw, but he checked it, drew, and then hit on the river. If he had bet, drew one, then bet when checked to, it seems like someone might be more likely to look him up, like he was just auto-betting it no matter what.

Also the pot is a little smaller, but it's already big enough that it won't sway the decision of one of the opponents to call with a crappy low on the end anyways.

Originally I was thinking that if this was headsup, bet, but with two, one of which maybe trapping, check behind. I'm thinking now it may be the opposite, or a bet in both circumstances.

Thoughts?

[Luv2DriveTT]

1) Bet the river. expect to win at least 55% of the time.

2) 7s 5c 4c Th 3h is a strong hand, but not worth a 3-bet pre flop. A 6 is a show stopper here, you are drawing to a duce or a rough 8. When you draw one it will make them all assume you have a possible 9 or a rough 8 from the get go, you will get more action that way.

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[AJo Go All In]

oops. called down by a Q.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

the only real decision is the second draw check. i'm pretty sure i'd check here too agaisnt two players, though i'd bet HU and i think you pretty much have to bet the river also.